I honestly don’t get where all those “Windows is constantly updating” memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you’re the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update…
nah they don’t seem to roll updates all at once, i’ve had two win10 machines a few years ago (started from same fresh install iso) and they always got auto updated in different day.
this was before the 7day(?) delay option appeared, there was no config. and in many cases the update wasn’t shown on start menu and shutdown/restart looked innocent until i clicked them and it started updating lol. i later just killed wupdate permanently via registry from safe mode.
You forget the other side of the coin with using a rolling distro like Arch - you more or less have to keep updating the system a couple of times per week, especially if you want to be able to install new packages with a lot of dependencies.
Not saying I personally have any problems with it, but it’s worth mentioning when talking about how quick and easy it is to update the system (which it truly is)… ;-)
It comes from people being unwilling to learn how Windows works or how to configure it, but being 100% on board to tinker to hell and back with Linux. So you get a lot of innaccurate info from people who think their Linux skills confer some amount of knowledge with Windows when they never took the time to learn it as well, or when they haven’t used it outside of corporate controlled work machines (if they even encounter Windows that way) in half a decade.
There’s an argument (which I agree with to a point) that you shouldn’t have to learn how such a big paid product like Windows works in order to avoid frustrations, while it’s understandable in an open source thing like Linux distros. But it ultimately boils down to a combo of “Windows bad!” and learned helplessness when it comes to Windows that people are willing to push through for Linux.
I kind of agree with you, with a caveat - I think people coming from Linux or Mac see Windows, and start poking around trying to make it do things that Linux or Mac do. And when that breaks the OS or is just not possible, they call the “Windows bad” card.
But here’s the thing - I gave my 80 year old mother a Windows laptop. She uses it to check her email, read the news and watch YouTube.
It’s a breeze. Everything just works, the OS updates itself automagically when she’s not looking, the photos from her phone magically appear in her Photos application on the laptop (by way of OneDrive), if she needs to switch to a newer laptop, all the bookmarks and files are already there when she logs in, because of MS Account/OneDrive/Edge profile, etc.
I love Linux, I have it on my gaming PC just to stick it to MS, but I would never think of giving my mother a Linux device because I know shit would break, or get weird, or just require attention from someone who understands how sudo works. On Windows she has a regular user account (there’s a separate admin account she can’t remember the password for so I always know when something requires it because she calls me - it’s around once a year at most), has no knowledge of anything other than “click swirly blue icon to browse funny YouTube videos or check email”, and… everything just works.
Corporate installs have constant updates, mandated by the IT department, not by the user. I can’t get through the start or end of a work day without the twirling dots waiting animation.
Its because of how it disrespects the user. it keeps nagging you to update, then forces it at an inconvenient time and because the updates take so long in comparison.
Within 0-4 days (or therabouts) of a Patch Tuesday, updates hit your device.
Everything is happening 100% in the background at this point. Updates are getting prepped for installation.
If you haven’t rebooted to apply the updates for about 4-7 days, you’ll start getting notifications that you should
If you have Active Hours set up, the OS will not bother you while these are active.
After something like 10-14 days you might be forced to apply the updates.
To each their own, but I wouldn’t call this “disrespecting the user”. And “forcing updates at an inconvenient time” is just silly, with how much leeway you’re getting.
Also: maybe you’re used to something much faster, but, personally, I don’t find clicking “update and shutdown” when I go to sleep and then coming back to an updated PC in the morning that problematic. The longest I had to sit through the updates was 20 minutes because I wanted to apply a Feature Update.
I guess my point is: there’s A LOT to bash Microsoft and Windows for. No need to invent things that aren’t there.
Linux: hope nothing breaks.
Windows: hope nothing breaks.
Mac: hope nothing breaks.
I use Mint. It don’t break.
Except the audio. Its always the fucking audio drivers.
i use arch btw. it dont break btw
It’s already broken.
Its just that efficient, does not get in the way of endlessly fiddling with the OS with such pesky things like “programs” or “functionality”
Mint ftw. We need community flairs on Lemmy so I can rep my distro.
Linux mint was the only distro where things continually broke for me (just software, not the system, and this was 10 years ago now)
If something breaks then roll back to the previous version?
Hope I don’t have to roll back. Hope the roll back works. How the hell do I roll back again? 😋
OSTree mfs: let us introduce ourselves
It’s one of the reasons I run Bazzite instead of CachyOS.
I honestly don’t get where all those “Windows is constantly updating” memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you’re the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update…
nah they don’t seem to roll updates all at once, i’ve had two win10 machines a few years ago (started from same fresh install iso) and they always got auto updated in different day.
That would likely be the default settings trying to avoid times when you normally use the machine to install the update.
this was before the 7day(?) delay option appeared, there was no config. and in many cases the update wasn’t shown on start menu and shutdown/restart looked innocent until i clicked them and it started updating lol. i later just killed wupdate permanently via registry from safe mode.
I update my arch every day, takes maybe 30 seconds. So easy.
You forget the other side of the coin with using a rolling distro like Arch - you more or less have to keep updating the system a couple of times per week, especially if you want to be able to install new packages with a lot of dependencies.
Not saying I personally have any problems with it, but it’s worth mentioning when talking about how quick and easy it is to update the system (which it truly is)… ;-)
And yet the meme goes “not again!” about Windows, not Linux…
I know, just so happy to run Linux. Honestly wouldnt bother with computers if windows or mac was the only OS. They have no spirit of sharing.
Nothing stops you from apt/dnf/… install every first Tuesday of the month on Linux.
It comes from people being unwilling to learn how Windows works or how to configure it, but being 100% on board to tinker to hell and back with Linux. So you get a lot of innaccurate info from people who think their Linux skills confer some amount of knowledge with Windows when they never took the time to learn it as well, or when they haven’t used it outside of corporate controlled work machines (if they even encounter Windows that way) in half a decade.
There’s an argument (which I agree with to a point) that you shouldn’t have to learn how such a big paid product like Windows works in order to avoid frustrations, while it’s understandable in an open source thing like Linux distros. But it ultimately boils down to a combo of “Windows bad!” and learned helplessness when it comes to Windows that people are willing to push through for Linux.
I kind of agree with you, with a caveat - I think people coming from Linux or Mac see Windows, and start poking around trying to make it do things that Linux or Mac do. And when that breaks the OS or is just not possible, they call the “Windows bad” card.
But here’s the thing - I gave my 80 year old mother a Windows laptop. She uses it to check her email, read the news and watch YouTube.
It’s a breeze. Everything just works, the OS updates itself automagically when she’s not looking, the photos from her phone magically appear in her Photos application on the laptop (by way of OneDrive), if she needs to switch to a newer laptop, all the bookmarks and files are already there when she logs in, because of MS Account/OneDrive/Edge profile, etc.
I love Linux, I have it on my gaming PC just to stick it to MS, but I would never think of giving my mother a Linux device because I know shit would break, or get weird, or just require attention from someone who understands how
sudoworks. On Windows she has a regular user account (there’s a separate admin account she can’t remember the password for so I always know when something requires it because she calls me - it’s around once a year at most), has no knowledge of anything other than “click swirly blue icon to browse funny YouTube videos or check email”, and… everything just works.Corporate installs have constant updates, mandated by the IT department, not by the user. I can’t get through the start or end of a work day without the twirling dots waiting animation.
If they’re using WUfB or Autopatch, it should be happening once a month, some time after the Patch Tuesday (depending on internal policy).
If they’re just grabbing whatever Microsoft publishes (like “civilian” gear), you should be getting one update a couple of days after Patch Tuesday.
There might be a second update, if it’s a critical fix, some time after the first, but that’s super rare these days.
If your corpo laptop updates non-stop, talk to your IT, it’s not normal.
Its because of how it disrespects the user. it keeps nagging you to update, then forces it at an inconvenient time and because the updates take so long in comparison.
The process is simple:
To each their own, but I wouldn’t call this “disrespecting the user”. And “forcing updates at an inconvenient time” is just silly, with how much leeway you’re getting.
Also: maybe you’re used to something much faster, but, personally, I don’t find clicking “update and shutdown” when I go to sleep and then coming back to an updated PC in the morning that problematic. The longest I had to sit through the updates was 20 minutes because I wanted to apply a Feature Update.
I guess my point is: there’s A LOT to bash Microsoft and Windows for. No need to invent things that aren’t there.