• SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
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    4 months ago

    All jokes aside, things like this are why China is beating us. I am absolutely not a fan of the Chinese government, but the simple fact is they get shit done.

    • rustydomino@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      It helps that in China you can’t own land. All the land is owned by the government. You only have “use rights” and for a limited time (something like 80 years - I forget the exact number). So when it comes time to build infrastructure the government just tells you to gtfo.

      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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        4 months ago

        China has stronger property laws than the US, look up stuck nail houses. If the US wants your property, they can eminent domain your shit. In China, developers have literally had to swerve highways around property or build shopping centers around that one person who wont sell

        • jaschen306@sh.itjust.works
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          4 months ago

          Lies. My family had a factory in Wuxi, China. 2 buildings that were dedicated to dormitories. 4 buildings dedicated to manufacturing promotional products.

          We were able to lease the land for 50 years with a 50-year option at the end of the term.

          Around year 5, the government decided to turn the main dirt road into a proper road. They took back 1/4 of the land. They just used our area for staging.

          About a year after the road was made, they decided to expand the road. They took back now 1/2 of the original land and buildings.

          Less than a year after the expansion, they turned the 4 lane road i to a highway. They took the entire land back. My family invested millions of dollars in buildings and infrastructure. We got back pennies on the dollar spent on the investment on compensation.

          My family never fully recovered financially.

      • rustydomino@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        Look to public transit development in Taiwan as an example of how to do it right in a democratic nation. There are still loads of problems but the Taiwanese government can’t just take your land outright. Taipei especially has seen phenomenal growth in its metro development in the last 20 years.

        • zbyte64@awful.systems
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          4 months ago

          I mean so does the United States thanks to the 13th amendment but we don’t have anywhere near the same infrastructure to show for it

          • Clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works
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            4 months ago

            American slave labor isn’t used for anything interesting - it’s just letting companies pay less for labor for their own benefit.

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                4 months ago

                that’s not the slave labour that’s building china, just as prison labour isn’t what’s powering the US

                the actual productive slave labour is done by regular workers who nominally have “freedom”, just that they don’t actually have a choice if they and their family want to live.

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                  4 months ago

                  lmao do you think china has an industry of mustache-twirling villains whose job it is to threaten peoples families if they dont work for free? Presumably they work for free to keep their families alive too.

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      4 months ago

      One of the reasons they can build their future so quickly is because they were left in a unique position after WW2 to effectively destroy their past.

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        4 months ago

        And they have slave labor. Oops, I guess that’s something that shouldn’t be said in a post pandering China

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            4 months ago

            The US hates China, hates muslims but pretend to care about those poor Chinese muslims.
            I wonder why?

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          4 months ago

          The only country I know taht has slave labor is the US and their barbaric Gulf states friend.
          But the poor Uyghurs!!! BS propaganda

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          4 months ago

          I’ve been to urumqi, literally anyone can go there.

          Theres no slave labor, its normal industrial farms. Unless youre suggesting the guys driving the combine harvesters or running the factories are secretly enslaved.