• saarth@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    As the number of people benefitting from the current economic system continues to shrink, the number of people who will benefit from the collapse of the economic system will keep growing.

    Here’s to hoping that its sooner rather than later.

  • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    There is no other system immune to the potential negatives within capitalism, while no other system has shown to have as many positives as capitalism has had, over its history.

    Don’t be surprised if those negatives magically persist within a different system. The grass is always greener—you’re better off addressing the negatives directly (e.g. sensible legal regulations within the system), instead of naively assuming that changing the system will magically eliminate or even lessen them.

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        1. Corruption makes it possible for greed to be rewarded in any system.
        2. Greed is not necessarily a net negative—one’s personal avarice can be ‘addressed’ by creating and selling a product that the public is happy to pay (an amount that creates profit for them) for. That sort of ambition should be encouraged, because the result is a better outcome for everyone.

        I think we can do better than that

        Maybe we can. But of everything that’s been tried so far, capitalism has by far worked the best.

        So if there is a better way, it’s got to be a brand-new idea.

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          1. That’s why I included the word “fundamentally”, because uncorrupted capitalism still rewards greed. Actually moreso than regulated capitalism, but I don’t think that has worked either.

          2a. Greed isn’t just wanting good for yourself, it’s wanting more than what is reasonable. It’s unquenchable and it’s destructive to whatever stands in its way. That’s why capitalism and colonialism go hand in hand.

          2b. I would rather someone makes a product because he followed her passion, and then shared it with everyone because he thinks it would benefit others. Capitalism isn’t going to bring us into that world, it’s going to encourage to exploit it and degrade it to make a bigger profit.

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        You’re the one believing a myth—world history already contains plenty of information to back up what I just wrote. Check global poverty rates a century ago, compared to today, for one. It’s almost miraculous just how far we came in such a short period of time! And no, it wasn’t just because of China.

        • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
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          There were discoveries and inventions before democracy, why would you attribute the success of the last 100 years to capitalism alone?

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      We’ve never seen a system that hasn’t had these problems.

      The Chinese “communist” system exploits a “labor class”, hell they expose a labor class to external capitalist systems.

      The western “capitalist” system exploits a “labor class”

      The fantasy that human nature disappears under different systems is the biggest myth we tell ourselves.

      Our nature is baked into us by the oven of nature, we are prey animals that have intelligence to take us past scarcity but incapable of being comfortable in it.

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        Our nature isn’t greed, that’s just what capitalism demands. Our nature is cooperation, otherwise we never would’ve created society in the first place.

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          You might be shocked to discover that capitalism doesn’t create the greedy it just rewards it.

          Greedy people have taken power at every point in human history, it was there before “capitalism” was a thing,

    • Deceptichum@quokk.auOP
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      27 days ago

      Nah, cos I’m actually doing something to achieve my goal. Right now I’m bulking with my some corn chips, after that I might take a nap, and I should wake up ready to go.