• Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com
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    16 hours ago

    Yes. It’s called colonialism. The ideas of freedom, equality and fraternity were only meant to be for white people. The same progressive revolution wholeheartedly supported the enslavement and murder of millions of Africans in the colonial processes that took place during and after.

    Do you still support the French revolution?

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      16 hours ago

      I don’t necessarily support everything that every French revolutionary did, but I do support beheading monarchs. Given my earlier statement that genocide is indeed always bad, can you guess what my stance is regarding any genocides that any French people were engaged in during the revolution?

      What you asked was “I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?” The answer is no, I do not condemn the French revolution for that particular thing.

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        9 hours ago

        Ok, now I hope you ask yourself why a predominantly black slave revolt decapitating the enslavers deserves no support, whereas a predominantly white peasant revolt decapitating the monarchs deserves support.

        The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed. They suffered from their whips, from their tortures, and from the murder of their loved ones by those very people. Do you really not see why a slave revolt in those conditions would lead to excesses in violence against former enslavers?

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          9 hours ago

          And I hope you quit dancing around the fact that they killed far more than just slavers. Like I’ve already said, I support killing slave owners just as much as I support killing monarchs.

          The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed.

          Not the women and children and poor that they murdered. What part of “indiscriminate slaughter” do you not understand? Race has literally nothing to do with it. Genocide is bad even if a black person does it. Genocide is bad even if the victims share a nationality with slave owners.

          Again, I cannot believe that I’m arguing in favor of not murdering innocent people, and I’m the fucking bad guy here

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            I cannot believe that I’m arguing in favor of not murdering innocent people

            The barrier between innocent and guilty isn’t as clear to me. The wives and children were profiting from the slavery as much as the direct owners. I don’t necessarily agree with the excess murders, but that doesn’t mean I condemn the revolution, because slavery was killing many, many more than the liberation did. It was a net positive though mistakes were made, but honestly I can’t blame them after what they were forced to live through. The blame is not on the revolutionaries, it is on the enslavers for creating these conditions.

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              7 hours ago

              I think I have to block you now. I’ve never been filled with this kind of indignant fury before. "I don’t necessarily agree with rape and murder, but…" Kindly rid this platform of your vile presence