This is so funny because rust has one of the worst cheating situations and majority of their players are windows users, and theres lots of games that have anticheat that allows linux and have notably less significant cheating problems like marvel rivals. in reality rust doesn’t take cheating very seriously because if they did they would have more server side software that detects illegitimate behaviour like tons of other games do successfully… even most popular Minecraft servers have better functioning anti cheat that is completely server side than rust has while getting kernel access to your pc. its pathetic and lazy development tbh and this entire post from them reads like such extreme cope…

  • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
    52·
    4 days ago

    Why would you even send the location of players behind walls? You can just do the visibility check on the server first. But hey that’s extra CPU cycles that they don’t want to be spending on helping you.

    • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
      7·
      4 days ago

      Visibility check of what?

      • The player and their shadow and all visible effects on the game world -> congratulations, now the server needs a GPU per player.
      • The player’s geometry? -> shadows pop into existence when the player’s arm appears around the corner, and the server is still way more expensive than it would be
      • A volume around the player? -> Still allows a significant advantage, still requires significantly more horsepower, and the client still can’t do spatial audio

      This amounts to making players use thin clients and putting all visual and audio rendering on the server if you want it to work and not suck. Will you be happy to save £1000 on your PC at the cost of having games cost £150 a pop? Thought not. Or did you think the “extra CPU cycles” were just free?

      • Glog78@digitalcourage.social
        31·
        4 days ago

        @FishFace @x00z my small thought -> i think today no solution can prevent “cheaters” because you can’t differ “cheaters” from users anymore if they want to.

        Here is why ->
        One PC is running the game -> a second PC emulates Keyboard and mouse inputs using a CAM (Capture Card) / Sound (microphon / digital capture) and an on the Game trained AI.

        So what does any “cheat protection” offer if they don’t protect against serious cheating ?

        PS: “The only still working protection is lan play with control over hardware / software and players like done on real events”

        • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
          4·
          4 days ago

          Yes, there is no way to prevent all cheats. However, to prevent as many as possible, you need to use all available methods. It’s quite reasonable that kernel-level anti-cheat should not be available, as it it’s an overreach and a security risk. However, client-side anti-cheat is not that.

    • CptBread@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      4 days ago

      It’s a very hard thing to check for though especially with how complex the world can be in games today. Even if it was feasible you don’t know where a client will be in a few frames so you basically need to do a “what players can be seen from this general location” check. The higher movement speed the bigger of a volume is your possible viewpoint.

      This is also ignoring all the things you need replicated even when you can’t see the player such as footsteps or them shooting or interacting with something.