• CAVOK@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    The anti immigrant stance confuses me. I get that this is being used by bad actors to drive a wedge between people, but how is it that people can’t see that migrants are needed to keep the standard of living?

    The amount of working people compared to the elderly or sick is diminishing, so you either have immigrants, raise taxes, reduce welfare or raise retirement age.

    To me, immigration seems like the obvious choice.

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      2 months ago

      The fewer workers exist the higher the wages rise. Look at the compensation for people after pest waves.

      Immigration allows the elite to avoid the consequences of their bad politics. If living conditions were good enough people would have children.

      Now people are moved instead of moving production processes to where the people are.

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        The fewer workers exist the higher the wages rise. Look at the compensation for people after pest waves.

        That’s only true if either the work can’t be moved elsewhere. The other option is that output drops to match the available workforce, like in Britain after brexit for fruits and vegetables for example.

        Immigration allows the elite to avoid the consequences of their bad politics. If living conditions were good enough people would have children.

        I don’t mind better politics or living conditions, but look at the nordics. Best places in the world to have a kid and we still can’t manage to have 2 kids per couple.

        Now people are moved instead of moving production processes to where the people are.

        That’s been happening for the last 200 years, which is why most manufacturing is in China and other parts of Asia now. But if we want to keep people in work here we need workers, and there’s not enough of us.