The problem with saying obvious things to people with doomer attitudes is that they dismiss them out of hand as soon as they hear them. Literally any suggestion that is made is “dumb” or “impossible” or ends up being more evidence that the system is out to hurt and oppress them specifically.
And of course, whether you think you can or you think you can’t, you’re right - or at least the latter part is true.
Overcoming any doomer mindset and beginning to work on your problems starts with admitting that maybe things aren’t quite as bleak as you think they are, and allowing yourself to believe that a better life is possible. Without that, no advice -regardless of content - will help
This is why no therapist will ever say “okay, so here’s what you need to do to solve your fucked up problems.” Their patients need to come to the answers themselves to accept and take action on them.
This is not controversial. It is literally standard practice among mental health professionals.
Right, but the reason it was posted here is to garner sympathy for this sort of doomer attitude, and I see this sort of attitude on Lemmy quite frequently. It’s the attitude of all the people downvoting me. So I figured I’d address the issue directly
People are downvoting you because you claim that they could do better relatively easily but refuse to explain how. It’s hard to not take it as insensitive bullshit when you don’t substantiate your claim, and why wouldn’t people downvote insensitive bullshit in a thread like this?
Nah, im downvoting youcause you are not providing a lot of value to the conversation and keep dancing around with statements meant to look down on others.
Basically im downvoting you cause i dont really care to watch you metaphorically masturbate to your own intelligence as a conversation style.
You still have not disclosed the quote “serious financial options”, and as an autistic person who is not able to deduce conclusions based on breadcrumbs all you’re doing to me is withholding information. So, congratulations I guess. You made your point while filtering the disabled.
Don’t be too hard on yourself, I’m not autistic and I also don’t get the point he’s trying to make. Probably something like “get a better job”, “leave to somewhere where things are better”, “go live with your friends/parents/whatever”.
Usually these people take it as an article of faith that there’s something you could do to unfuck your situation, without necessarily having any idea what that something is. I think he’s just fundamentally speaking abstractly.
They are literally in the other response saying they dont really have any real suggestiins but are sure that if they were in that situation that they woukd come up with something cause they are soooo clever. Like it purposely lacks empathetic insight or any awareness of luck and situational start points.
Its really just fluff to boost their ego and keep a negative view on others. It just isnt conversational, its the same as chest pumping but with fancy sounds.
I, of course, have my own ideas about what I would do in OP’s shoes. But I don’t claim that these are the “right” answers, and I don’t think these are the answers you “should” give. Literally all I’m saying is that OOP has options, and his biggest problem is that he refuses to believe they exist. So if you are in a similar situation to OOP, or empathize with him and want to know what advice would improve his situation, what I am saying is that you should start by opening up to the possibility that OP improving his life is under his control, and then just start thinking of ways that he could. And sure, some of these ideas you come up with will be dumb, or wrong. Some will seem like great ideas but will fall apart during implementation. And that’s all fine. There are no bad ideas, even if they don’t work, because the process of creating these ideas in the first place is the most important part of the process.
The problem with saying obvious things to people with doomer attitudes is that they dismiss them out of hand as soon as they hear them. Literally any suggestion that is made is “dumb” or “impossible” or ends up being more evidence that the system is out to hurt and oppress them specifically.
And of course, whether you think you can or you think you can’t, you’re right - or at least the latter part is true.
Overcoming any doomer mindset and beginning to work on your problems starts with admitting that maybe things aren’t quite as bleak as you think they are, and allowing yourself to believe that a better life is possible. Without that, no advice -regardless of content - will help
Go array, Ayn Rand.
This is why no therapist will ever say “okay, so here’s what you need to do to solve your fucked up problems.” Their patients need to come to the answers themselves to accept and take action on them.
This is not controversial. It is literally standard practice among mental health professionals.
Like I said: go away, chud.
Why?
You’re not even talking to the 4chan OP directly (probably), this is a comment thread on a different site.
Right, but the reason it was posted here is to garner sympathy for this sort of doomer attitude, and I see this sort of attitude on Lemmy quite frequently. It’s the attitude of all the people downvoting me. So I figured I’d address the issue directly
People are downvoting you because you claim that they could do better relatively easily but refuse to explain how. It’s hard to not take it as insensitive bullshit when you don’t substantiate your claim, and why wouldn’t people downvote insensitive bullshit in a thread like this?
Nah, im downvoting youcause you are not providing a lot of value to the conversation and keep dancing around with statements meant to look down on others.
Basically im downvoting you cause i dont really care to watch you metaphorically masturbate to your own intelligence as a conversation style.
You still have not disclosed the quote “serious financial options”, and as an autistic person who is not able to deduce conclusions based on breadcrumbs all you’re doing to me is withholding information. So, congratulations I guess. You made your point while filtering the disabled.
Don’t be too hard on yourself, I’m not autistic and I also don’t get the point he’s trying to make. Probably something like “get a better job”, “leave to somewhere where things are better”, “go live with your friends/parents/whatever”.
Usually these people take it as an article of faith that there’s something you could do to unfuck your situation, without necessarily having any idea what that something is. I think he’s just fundamentally speaking abstractly.
They are literally in the other response saying they dont really have any real suggestiins but are sure that if they were in that situation that they woukd come up with something cause they are soooo clever. Like it purposely lacks empathetic insight or any awareness of luck and situational start points.
Its really just fluff to boost their ego and keep a negative view on others. It just isnt conversational, its the same as chest pumping but with fancy sounds.
I, of course, have my own ideas about what I would do in OP’s shoes. But I don’t claim that these are the “right” answers, and I don’t think these are the answers you “should” give. Literally all I’m saying is that OOP has options, and his biggest problem is that he refuses to believe they exist. So if you are in a similar situation to OOP, or empathize with him and want to know what advice would improve his situation, what I am saying is that you should start by opening up to the possibility that OP improving his life is under his control, and then just start thinking of ways that he could. And sure, some of these ideas you come up with will be dumb, or wrong. Some will seem like great ideas but will fall apart during implementation. And that’s all fine. There are no bad ideas, even if they don’t work, because the process of creating these ideas in the first place is the most important part of the process.