10yrs from now when the UK is back in the EU: “this isnt working out we should leave”
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Italians really hate EU, for a few reason but especially because the exchange between Italian Lira and Euro fucked up things, they say
As Italian, I can say the most of us like to hate EU for the Lira/Euro exchange because it is easier to blame someone else than admitting that most of us tried to fuck up their connationals.
Italians hate the EU because propaganda
Yeah
The Lira was locked to the Euro in 1998 and deprecated by 2002 That was over 25 years ago. A quarter of a century ago. How long are thy gonna bitch about it? It’s had more than enough time to correct.
You are not wrong, but it’s also true that Italy’s high debt / high inflation economy of the second half of the century hit a brick wall when inflation controls were added without a consolidation of debt EU-wide.
The Italian economy sort of worked, because the high inflation of years past ate away the debt load and fixed payments (like pensions). Once that wasn’t possible any longer, the automatic “adjustment” of loads ended and the political class of the time was unwilling, unable, and uninterested in solving a problem for the distant future (spoiler alert: ten years ago was the distant future).
The rational thing to do was to complement the inflation anxiety from the German, British, and Nordic economies with a consolidation of debt at the EU level, say 50% of the national debt taken over as shared debt. That would have given Italy, Greece, Belgium, and Spain room to breathe while they transitioned the setup of their economies.
I am pretty passionate about this, because the same identical problem is starting to pop up now, with COVID debt and resulting interest payments crippling government action and forcing higher and higher taxation burdens, mostly in secondary form (fees, fines, etc.). So we need to look at Italy (and Greece) as examples of what can happen today.
Every single time I read something like this, I’m so glad to out of this shithole. When Brexit happened, I moved to the EU and never looked back. Glad to have done it.
So you were British Citizen?
Do British Citizens even get to keep EU Citizenship after Brexit?
Nope, needed to become a citizen of the country I reside in.
How much time did you have to do that?
Like do they kick you out immediately after UK leaves, or do you get a grace period?
When the geriatric cunts voted “leave” I made my preparations, because it’s clear the country would go downhill as soon as they withdrew from the EU. I buggered off long before that happened and it happened just like everyone anticipated.
Tja.
listening to russian propaganda, and brexit destroyed thier economy
spoiler: it’s still at 50%
In Britain alone it’s 69%, though.
The YouGov survey, carried out in six European countries, shows 50 per cent of voters in the UK would vote to be an EU member if there was a referendum now, compared to 45 per cent and 46 per cent in France and Italy. The numbers were higher in Germany (62 per cent) Denmark (75 per cent) and Spain (66 per cent).
It also found that in Britain, just 31 per cent of people said they would vote to be outside the EU – far fewer than the 52 per cent who backed Brexit nearly a decade ago. In France, that figure was 30 per cent, Italy 28 per cent, Germany 20 per cent, Denmark 14 per cent and Spain 13 per cent.
It says 50% for, 31% against, and the remaining 19% is presumably “undecided” or the equivalent. In the context of this article, they’re interchanging UK/Britain.
These are different questions, right?
“Should we join?” vs. “Should we leave?”
The first question is nonsensical for current EU members, and the second is nonsensical for non-members of the EU.
But I guess they include them to make a better comparison between these types of questions?
I’m not sure, but maybe it could be formatted like “Country should be part of EU? 1 = Strongly Agree, 5 = Strongly Disagree”
Lol… You lot voted to leave the EU.
@guyoverthere123 @CAVOK only by a 4% majority, heavily skewed to the older population. Ten years later, even natural demographic change would mean we’d vote to stay in with the same referendum now - but also we’ve had a pandemic that largely affected the elderly.
So when you say that you’re talking to dead people.
But much harder to take into account is how the then middle aged people who might have voted to stay in EU, are now older, became more right wing and/or dumb and/or sucked deeper into algo-propaganda.
I voted to stay
So Brits don’t want to be French nor Italian, but are fine with being EUers?
THAT’S CRAZY HAHAHAHA
Fafo my friends.
Idiots always want what they don’t have.
Also: British voters are on track to elect Nigel Farage as PM of a fascist government. It makes no sense.
Got a few years to right that ship. I’m hoping we figure with out, hell I’m hoping Labour manage to figure out social media exists and use it to fight some fire with fire
Labour needs to go hard Return and hold Russian-influenced Brexit traitors accountable.
They need to stop being an authoritarian and economically right party. People voted for change, and have not gotten what they voted for.
God yes. Talk about dropping the ball and walking it in to own goals
I really really hope they don’t, but I could certainly imagine it after Labour shit the bed and disenfranchised a lot of it’s voter base.
I think there’s a lot of assumptions going into current polling. Labour is disenfranchising a lot of people, but a large number are becoming true “don’t knows” and taking themselves out of polling calculations.
These are the the left of the party who are politically homeless. The greens are mopping up some of them, but Polanski is a divisive character. Some love him, and some find him superficial. Some might land in the Lib Dems as their social policies are left of labour, but there’s a lot that would never even consider that. Corbyn was trying to set up a party for them, but that’s never going anywhere.
One thing is for sure, this block is not voting for Farage. He’s diametrically opposite to what these people believe in.
Goomba fallacy: The article states that 50% of the polled people want to be part of tne EU, and the latest opinion polls show Reform UK (Farage’s party) winning 33% of the votes.
I can assume there’s next to no overlap in those.
Oh awesome, that fallacy is so incredibly common, now I’ve got a name for it.
It’s just like if you open a door for your cat and it sits down in the sweet spot between “in” and “out”.
Would like to see UK in Schengen though…
Nah, it’s like when the cat asks to be let out and they go out, then immediately sit outside the window staring glumly in at you.
Britain isn’t in Europe. They have been saying that for centuries.
I don’t understand that attitude at all. And yet you get people saying “In Europe…” meaning not-Britain. I reply, “this *is *Europe,” but it doesn’t necessarily go down well.
@chramies @Itdidnttrickledown I remember a German friend of mine (well before the referendum was even a thing) being highly amused when she heard me say “on the continent”. I’d never even thought about it. I suppose “on the mainland” makes more sense. Language can really affect your worldview!
If Iceland is in Europe, Britain is as well.
“French and Italian voters want to leave the EU even more than British ones”
(I didn’t even read the article, just kidding around.)
Polls also showed we were going to vote remain. I wouldn’t believe what any polls say now.
