When the glass is broken and trust is gone, it takes a lot if time, if any to heal.
Europe should just go for strategic autonomy, in energy, defence, tech, anywhere.
Then deal with whomever as equal and not as a subservient.
I’m sure Democrats would not object that kind of relationship
Economically the EU is an equal, the issue is military and overall cohesiveness. The EU needs to be able to act unilaterally in ways that are going to piss off it’s own member states. The challenge is creating a framework where that’s possible, without creating an unaccountable force, or constant bickering indecision.
It’s worth noting that everyday Dems often want very different things than the “leadership Dems” that are in power under corporate and foreign influence. I don’t want vassals - a tiny silver lining of Trump is American hegemony in decline. Thats only a good if Authoritarians don’t step into that gap. I hope EU can be the standard bearer and defender of liberal (as opposed to illiberal) democracy in the world until we get our shit together
Thats only a good if Authoritarians don’t step into that gap
No, it’s good even if authoritarians (thinking of China here) step into the gap. It’s hard for Europeans to properly appreciate how absurdly evil US hegemony is and has been, and how much blood is on their hands for supporting it/kowtowing to it over the years. I’d rather have China as the world hegemon than, say, France frankly, and that’s not out of my love for China; the EU has a lot of introspection to do if it wants to avoid America’s fate, and I find this narrative of the EU as the innocent victim unfairly bullied by big brother America/last bastion of human rights to be very counterproductive towards that end.
First, this is a non-sequitur as there’s no direct relation between how China governs its territory and the kind of conditions it imposes/would impose on imperial vassals; by this logic Western (neo)colonialism must be “nice” and democratic because Western countries were until 2024 all democratic (hint: It fucking isn’t). Second, despite the authoritarianism Hong Kong has one of the highest standards of living in the world, higher even than mainland China. What exactly is your point here?
When the glass is broken and trust is gone, it takes a lot if time, if any to heal. Europe should just go for strategic autonomy, in energy, defence, tech, anywhere. Then deal with whomever as equal and not as a subservient. I’m sure Democrats would not object that kind of relationship
Economically the EU is an equal, the issue is military and overall cohesiveness. The EU needs to be able to act unilaterally in ways that are going to piss off it’s own member states. The challenge is creating a framework where that’s possible, without creating an unaccountable force, or constant bickering indecision.
Of course they’d object, they want vassals, not allies. Republicans are a whole lot more vocal and obvious about it.
It’s worth noting that everyday Dems often want very different things than the “leadership Dems” that are in power under corporate and foreign influence. I don’t want vassals - a tiny silver lining of Trump is American hegemony in decline. Thats only a good if Authoritarians don’t step into that gap. I hope EU can be the standard bearer and defender of liberal (as opposed to illiberal) democracy in the world until we get our shit together
Yeah exactly, when I say Democrats, it’s the establishment Democrats, not the average Democrat voters (at least, I hope so).
No, it’s good even if authoritarians (thinking of China here) step into the gap. It’s hard for Europeans to properly appreciate how absurdly evil US hegemony is and has been, and how much blood is on their hands for supporting it/kowtowing to it over the years. I’d rather have China as the world hegemon than, say, France frankly, and that’s not out of my love for China; the EU has a lot of introspection to do if it wants to avoid America’s fate, and I find this narrative of the EU as the innocent victim unfairly bullied by big brother America/last bastion of human rights to be very counterproductive towards that end.
For a glimpse, see Hong Kong
First, this is a non-sequitur as there’s no direct relation between how China governs its territory and the kind of conditions it imposes/would impose on imperial vassals; by this logic Western (neo)colonialism must be “nice” and democratic because Western countries were until 2024 all democratic (hint: It fucking isn’t). Second, despite the authoritarianism Hong Kong has one of the highest standards of living in the world, higher even than mainland China. What exactly is your point here?