• Pommes_für_dein_Balg@feddit.org
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    9 days ago

    But the Jews outside of Israel could do a lot better to distance themselves from Israel, vocally and visibly.

    This statement implies that Jews (no matter where they live and what they think) are one homogeneous group where each individual member is responsible for other group members’ actions. Even though they have no choice in whether they belong to that group.

    Why the hell should a New York shopkeeper have to vocally and visibly distance themselves from the crimes committed by a country in the Middle East?

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      9 days ago

      Because they are associated by default. Just the same as with Americans traveling abroad and trumps moronic and evil policies. And I’ve found that Americans typically do immediately bring it up and apologize. To not do so is to condone it, or to imply it’s irrelevant.

      • Pommes_für_dein_Balg@feddit.org
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        9 days ago

        Yeah, I don’t believe that it’s the responsibility of Americans wherever they go to apologize for Trump.
        Or Russians for Putin, for that matter.
        I believe it’s the responsibility of a society to protect people from such group-targeted attacks.

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          9 days ago

          I mean, too bad? You are associated with certain things. And it’s a great opportunity to constantly vocalize your opposition to it. If you don’t, you will be assumed to be part of it whether you like it or not.

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        9 days ago

        Because they are associated by default.

        And that, good sir is what the initial comment is about

        This IS antisemitism. As compared to what Isreal has been trying to lable as antisemitism the last couple of years.

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          Yep, that’s antisemitism. Guilty of others’ actions by the mere fact of being Jewish. And hence some commentators here are fine with Jews being harassed and bombed for belonging to this group.

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          No it isn’t antisemitism. It’s antizionism. Israel is highly associated with Jewish people. So it’s a reasonable weariness that a Jewish person might support Israel’s actions unless they say otherwise. If any entity I was even slightly associated with was doing reprehensible things, I would be very vocal to anyone who would listen to me and explain how I did not support those things.

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            If any entity I was even slightly associated with was doing reprehensible things, I would be very vocal to anyone who would listen to me and explain how I did not support those things.

            Good for you bud. But that does not mean you get to dictate how other people need to live their lifes. And if you just assume that every Jewish person supports Israels actions, by default. Then I hate to break it to you but that is antisemitism.

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              It’s not because they’re Jewish, it’s because as a Jewish person, they are associated with a large vocal group that is self defined by being Jewish. And that group is supported by a large percentage of Jewish people all over the world. Maybe that’s too subtle a distinction for you, but it’s an important one to try to grasp.

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                9 days ago

                It’s not because they are jewish

                It’s just because they are jews

                My brother in christ

                You are basically writing down the definition of racism It’s just that in this case it’s not based on race and there is a speacial word for it because people have been doing it so much to this group of people: Antisemitism

                Edit: I get what you are trying to say. And I am NOT trying to say you are an antisemite. But: It highlights how deeply engrained racism (am the like) is in our society and brains. We would rather do an insane amount of mental gymnastics than call it what it is: Racism