• Kissaki@feddit.org
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    6 days ago

    Which relations specifically do you suggest we rebuild?

    The Russia before the recent invasion was a Russia preparing for war. Russia has and had explicit pursued goals of destabilization of Europe and making Europe dependent. and Russia wants its UDSSR land and control back. The US isn’t the problem in that relationship. I certainly don’t want back into that trajectory.

    China has its own voiced claims and seekings of foreign territories. They’re fundamentally egoistic and pursuing control and dominance. It was an asymmetric trade, making use of the open European market while having a closed domestic market. They were stealing know-how and then used subsidization to weaken and drive out European competition. I don’t want back onto that relationship and trajectory either.

    We need new kinds of relations. And the US doesn’t stand in the way of that. It’s another party we need new kinds of relations with.

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      4 days ago

      Which relations specifically do you suggest we rebuild?

      The relations of 2001 when Putin gave his speech to the German parliament. An economic union from Portugal till Vladivostok was on the table. Russia wants to be self-reliant now after we rejected that.

      China has its own voiced claims and seekings of foreign territories. They’re fundamentally egoistic and pursuing control and dominance

      Aren’t they justified to be cautious? If Europe could, we would treat them like Africa or the US like Latin America. Unlike the US we are already number two, so not much to lose if China becomes number one. Nobody knows how relations are if containment is not part of the equation.

      We need new kinds of relations. And the US doesn’t stand in the way of that.

      Which kinds? Mercosur was not a full success.