• brem@sh.itjust.works
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    25 days ago

    This is why you spend much money for name brand phone protector!

    Not to make phone tough…

    …but so…

    … it can sit level on flat surface!

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    26 days ago

    Next version isn’t even going to have a camera. You’ll just generate the image

  • captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org
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    27 days ago

    It’s a hand ergonomics thing. People with smaller hands who still want a larger screen have an easier time holding the phone body if it’s thin. The camera bump is outside of the handholding area so stuffing the big circuitry there lets you make a better hand experience.

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    27 days ago

    Tbh, the camera bumps are nice if you use phone cases. They allow the phone+ phone case thickness to be much thinner than otherwise. Provided they aren’t enormous unexplainable bumps like the pixel phones’

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        26 days ago

        It is not, especially compared to solutions like Samsung’s that have a different bump for each camera. The food thing with that design is, you can expose the camera and make the case form-fit around, which doesn’t make the phone thicker. Google pixel cases that do that expose this entire slab to the elements though, this glass will get scratched quite easily

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              26 days ago

              I have a case for this exact phone, it still rocks with a case.

              Any phone case worth more than a pile of dog fecal matter will put a rim around the lense glass or indentation to keep it from being flush with the rest of the phone (and surface you lay it on). The problem with this particular Samsung is the lense portrudes far too much, making cases excessively thick or in my case, wobbly when laid flat.

              I prefer it when camera bumps are symmetrical but still individual

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      26 days ago

      I had an Oukitel that I ran for almost 4 weeks. Had to charge it for a trip off grid. Talk about chunky!

      Might buy another model, but had to drop Verizon to get it working and T-Mobile took a week to figure out how to activate it. PITA, but it was solid once working. Great BT speaker, couldn’t kill the battery, everything worked great. Carrying the thing was a pain, even with a pack. Not sure I want all that mass again.

      If you want a phone you can beat a man to death with, Oukitel it is!

      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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        25 days ago

        Uhm IIRC typical battery is 2000 mAh/day, so one week battery is 14 Ah/day, which is 50 Wh assuming 3.7 V.

        A typical sodium ion battery (which i very much like btw) typically holds 0.2 kWh/kg, so 200 Wh/kg, so to store 50 Wh, you’d need around 250g of battery.

        For reference, i think smartphones should be about as heavy as an apple (fruit) which is 100g average. And the battery makes most of that weight (like, 80%). So the battery could be about 80g, which would store 16 Wh of energy. That would make about 4000 mAh. Which is what many phones today already have. Which lasts for 1-2 days.

  • (des)mosthenes@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    honestly I don’t mind it - the grooves allow you to actually hold the fucking thing one handed without being a basketball player

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      26 days ago

      Sounds like you need a case with actual grip more than anything. Maybe they should stop making phones smooth?

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        26 days ago

        if they sold smaller phones I would’ve. I prefer not to use cases; this isn’t a problem, but a complaint on the status quo. I sympathize with those under 6’3 who have to purchase further solutions. agreed that phones should be smaller in general; like they were about few generations ago.

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          26 days ago

          When they eventually give us a good smaller phone, we gotta buy buy buy it so they get the message. I think the industry is just fully of copying, if one company makes a bigger phone and finds some success, the next company does it etc

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    27 days ago

    It’s because most customers use cases. They know this, and so Apple can say they made it thinner, when the reality is that it’s always not that thin. Especially when you can throw a case and a mag safe battery on the back and make it even thicker than the pro model.

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      27 days ago

      It’s sorta like the late 90’s-early 00’s when people were swapping the shells of their Nokias and pagers.

      The thinner phones just allow the user the option to change the appearance to what they think looks good without becoming too thick.

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      26 days ago

      And even then, it’s hard to find a case where the lip is higher than the camera lens. The best you can usually get is the lip and the lens at the same level, so any slightly uneven surface can scratch it.

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    27 days ago

    I think what people want is longer-life, user replaceable batteries. They didn’t need to be thinner. Apple says, “Look! It’s thinner! Thinner is better!”, so the fanbois say “Look mine is better because it’s thinner, Apple said so!”

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    27 days ago

    I recently had cause to use my phone as a clinometer to measure the gradient of a path at various points. Camera bumps made the task take twice as long as it otherwise would have, because I had to record it camera forward, then camera backward, and average the two, just to negate the effect it has on how the phone sits…

  • 🇨🇦 tunetardis@piefed.ca
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    27 days ago

    I have no problem with functional protuberances. In fact, I wouldn’t mind seeing more, such as a universal mounting connector of some sort? I don’t know if I am atypical in this regard, but I like mounting my phone on things. Handlebars, car dashes, tripods, mic stands, etc. There are solutions for this, but they invariably involve something wrapping around and blocking some of the front side of the phone, which has become increasingly problematic over the years with screens pushing towards the edges. My bike holder sometimes blocks the front-facing camera needed to unlock the iPhone, for example. But if there were something on the back side that a mounting bracket could securely latch onto, none of this would be a problem.

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      26 days ago

      SP connect and quadlock offer mounting brackets, that get glued to the back of your phone (or phone case) check on their websites under “universal”

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        26 days ago

        That’s interesting. It’s basically what I’m thinking phones should just have by design. Something that can twist-lock it into place. I guess the question with this after market solution is whether you trust that adhesive enough? It would be better if it were just built into the phone, but it’s nice to have some affirmation that my ideas are not totally baseless and that others have been looking into it. Thanks!

      • brem@sh.itjust.works
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        25 days ago

        Yeah, but if it’s an iPhone… you probably have to pay Apple a proprietary fee; due to becoming injured by their patented technology.

      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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        25 days ago

        you need mechanical stability a bit too, so if it’s too thin, it just breaks too easily.

        IMO the perfect size for a smartphone should be the weight of an apple (fruit) or some other snack like croissant, something that you can comfortably hold in one hand.

    • pyre@lemmy.world
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      25 days ago

      I’d rather have that. it’ll actually stay stable when you put it down, plus the screen would be slightly tilted upwards so you can see it better when it’s just there on the table.

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    26 days ago

    Do phones really need to be so skinny? Part of the reason I always get a case is not only for protection, but also to deliberately make it a little thicker.

    • khannie@lemmy.world
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      26 days ago

      No, they’re just desperate for some kind of differentiator at this point because phones haven’t meaningfully changed in five years. Hell, maybe ten.

      • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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        26 days ago

        Yeah, the only real improvements in phones over the last decade are the adoption of USB-C and the addition of extra camera lenses, and I never really use the extra lenses on my phone.

        I replaced my 2016 Galaxy S7 last year with a Motorola G32 mainly because the Galaxy wasn’t holding a charge or getting software updates anymore. The G32 is actually lower in spec in a few ways (lower-resolution screen, no wireless charging) but it’s still more than adequate for my needs, has a headphone jack and MicroSD slot and supports LineageOS (although I haven’t installed that yet.)

        Even the S7 upgrade wasn’t strictly necessary but I saw a good deal and didn’t like the way my LG G2’s volume buttons were on the back.

        We’re well past the point where smartphones should’ve been fully comodified and where we should be able to get generic versions based on common standards (i.e. a common platform open to OS developers without the need for a specialized build for each phone.)

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        26 days ago

        Yeah they have. They removed a bunch of features so they can sell more dongles and cloud storage. You know, “innovation”.

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        25 days ago

        Only Essentials brand had something new a while back. Two magnetic power pins on the back and Wireless USB protocol so you could attach add on devices like the 360 video camera, and the Pro audio DAC. It’s too bad they closed up after a few years. The phone was great. Cermamic and Titanium body.

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      26 days ago

      This has become one of the useless marketing figures everyone chases because they made it seem important in the first place.

      I absolutely prefer having something a bit thicker, as it fits the palm better.

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    26 days ago

    Well, you cannot cheat physics. You get two of resolution, depth, and thin-ness. If they want resolution and depth, they need the optics to do this.

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    27 days ago

    I don’t mind a camera bar (or “visor”). It’s better than the stupid bump they used to use, because it’s stable, and it also provides a slight angle that makes the phone a little more visible when it’s laying on a desk.

    What I don’t like is a super thin phone that has no meaningful battery and is easy to bend. “Bend” means that dropping it results in more than just shock force.

    • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      26 days ago

      Take a look at JerryRigEverything’s iPhone Air video.

      It took 200+ pounds of force, in the middle of the device, to bend it. It was very impressive.

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        26 days ago

        I’ve heard that, and it’s very impressive. Unfortunately, I weigh more than 200 pounds, and putting a significant fraction of my weight on the device is not a particularly remote possibility, given my track record.