the left side of the meme:
https://www.elciudadano.com/en/nato-and-its-links-with-nazism/06/23/
not too familiar with the right side tbh
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Don’t weasel your way out and change the subject.
This is your position and this is what I was addressing:
Trump is a cult that dies with him.
This is your justification to that position:
It’s human nature. People are, in general, not different than their tribal ancestors from 300,000 years ago
You are suggesting that we as humans are hardwired to support the most popular individual and that anything eventful that happens is attributed to that one single individual (this is what Great Man Theory is), simply because as a result of evolution and somehow that’s compared to tribes that lived 300,000 years ago, when hunting and gathering and grouping up was a necessity to ensure higher chances of survival. None of the links you provided back up that point, the hill you wish to die on, neither does your justification make any sense. I explained that these links only serve to describe and analyze tribes, not prove the Great Man Theory.
But you know what is a death cult?
Liberalism. Liberalism is a death cult. And you’re part of it, engaged in it, succumbed to it and running cheerleader for it, because it serves to benefit you, Trump, Biden, Bernie, Rubio, Team Blue, Team Red, the full works.
Human nature, again, is also not scientifically grounded. Any argument mentioning human nature necessitates an actual scientific study on human nature itself, lucky for you, there’s no such a thing. Here’s another video explaining why it’s a thought-terminating cliche.
I don’t take it you’re a reading type because obviously you did not read any of the sources you linked, otherwise you’d know that none of these actually say anything about human nature in relation to cults or tribes or whatever, so watch these from start to finish, you’d stand to actually learn something, lib
1st link is about 4 different types of tribe structures
2nd is about leadership and its relation to tribes
3rd link literally runs counter to your initial point about trump cults being a result of human nature, it actually fucking argues that a society is shaped by material conditions but without using the term “material conditions”:
By the same logic, “Trump cultists”, as you refer to them, do not stray far from your average liberal because it’s also within the liberals’ human nature to be apathetic towards brown kids, women and unarmed men across the planet to explode into pieces, not because trump supporters and liberals that don’t like trump optics have a vested interest in maintaining status quo…
See how ridiculous that sounds?
Nobody fucking argues this way because human nature isn’t something that’s scientifically grounded, but rather it’s a metaphysical expression of our being weaponized by libs like you.
If you’re going to roleplay being an intellectual, at least do a better act of reading the stuff that you cite in relation to the points you make, otherwise @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml might bite 👻.
Could you provide an explanation as to how @jackeroni’s memes are inaccurate? Which ones?
of course they did, anything so much as hints at providing welfare services that isn’t born out of imperialism is a threat to their imperialism… so they needed to make an example out of Libyans by turning it into a sex slave trading hub.
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Libya too before 2011 (except the literacy rate was recorded to be 89 to 99% at one point)!
not to mention the fact that that the “developed” countries depend heavily on the exploitation of the Global South to provide free/universal healthcare, yes European reader reading this, this includes Finland and no Poland isn’t excluded either.
1·3 months agoYou’re taking the USA as an example
So? How is it not comparable to other Western countries? The original post already fucking exemplifies why censorship is a staple of the West, not just the US. Swear to god libs like you don’t actually have an argument to make and resort to moving goalposts to make up for it:
etc. etc.
Sure, it is, but my point is that it’s less restricted.
And that point is pointless because “less” restrictions only apply to small groups of people.
That’s just a massive lie. Notice how organized groups like the AfD, the National Rally, Renaissance etc… still exist but any smaller scale organization of people that threatens imperialism get squashed ASAP:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/richard-medhurst
https://electronicintifada.net/content/switzerland-deports-eis-ali-abunimah/50337
https://www.newarab.com/news/pro-palestine-supporters-losing-jobs-over-gaza-solidarity
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-warrant-mahmoud-khalil
Saying such things as “bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet” would clearly get you in trouble
[citations needed]. I assure you that the most “trouble” libs faced was a slap on the wrist.
🤣 thanks for exposing yourself as nothing but a vibes-based liberal. Hasn’t even produced a single shred of evidence either.
I just have this feeling like you get persecuted for speaking against the government in countries like China, whereas you need to be a strong figure to have the same fate in other countries.
I have no data and this is just a feeling.
We can learn and take away a lot from this vibes-based, “democracy” virtue-signaling analysis, but not about the topic at hand.
This is still a cool way to downplay the West’s imperial staple of suppressing activism, engages in revisionism and amplifies everything that helps liberalism, all while accusing everyone outside the imperial core of doing so (or doing worse) as well, the statement along the lines of “does worse” doesn’t mean anything when you recognize that it’s a Western idea fully embraced and embroidered by the West that is insurpassable/incomparable to any other form of censorship.
Freedom of speech is a meaningless concept, especially so for anyone that’s not white, when you can’t actually criticize EU/US/KKKommonwealth countries within these countries meaningfully without fear of losing your job, your house, your visa (this is exacerbated for foreigners, often not talked about) or your life.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-warrant-mahmoud-khalil
Your “freedom” to “speech” and “democracy” are constrained within a clearly drawn boundary, the boundary of which is drawn by the ruling class.
Any other country outside the West engaging in censorship is either a) a dog of the West or b) protecting itself from fully succumbing into being a dog of the West.
Notice how a Westerner does not risk anything by truly believing in and expressing things like “china censorship bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet”, but a non-Westerner risks absolutely everything by even slightly hinting at a criticism towards Western imperialism/wanting better conditions at the cost of the ruling class, perhaps even in their own damn fucking country, this is where point a) comes in to play.
When it comes to China, they fall squarely in b):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAEwoYIYgJA
Once you understand the asymmetry, it becomes a lot clearer why the “both sides” argument is just a feeble attempt at minimizing Western imperialism.
well said, i wish eurolibs would get this through their head, but i’m wishing for too much
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