Hello fellow Proxmox enjoyers!

I have questions regarding the ZFS disk IO stats and hope you all may be able to help me understand.

Setup (hardware, software)

I have Proxmox VE installed on a ZFS mirror (2x 500 GB M.2 PCIe SSD) rpool . The data (VMs, disks) resides on a seperate ZFS RAID-Z1 (3x 4TB SATA SSD) data_raid.

I use ~2 TB of all that, 1.6 TB being data (movies, videos, music, old data + game setup files, …).

I have 6 VMs, all for my use alone, so there’s not much going on there.

Question 1 - costant disk write going on?

I have a monitoring setup (CheckMK) to monitor my server and VMs. This monitoring reports a constant write IO operation for the disks, ongoing, without any interruption, of 20+ MB/s.

I think the monitoring gets the data from zpool iostat, so I watched it with watch -n 1 'sudo zpool iostat', but the numbers didn’t seem to change.

It has been the exact same operations and bandwidth read / write for the last minute or so (after taking a while for writing this, it now lists 543 read ops instead of 545).

Every 1.0s: sudo zpool iostat

              capacity     operations     bandwidth
pool        alloc   free   read  write   read  write
----------  -----  -----  -----  -----  -----  -----
data_raid   2.29T  8.61T    545    350  17.2M  21.5M
rpool       4.16G   456G      0     54  8.69K  2.21M
----------  -----  -----  -----  -----  -----  -----

The same happens if I use -lv or -w flags for zpool iostat.

So, are there really constantly 350 write operations going on? Or does it just not update the IO stats all too often?

Question 2 - what about disk longevity?

This isn’t my first homelab-setup, but it is my first own ZFS- and RAID-setup. If somebody has any SSD-RAID or SSD-ZFS experiences to share, I’d like to hear them.

The disks I’m using are:

Best regards from a fellow rabbit-hole-enjoyer.

  • hamsda@feddit.orgOPEnglish
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    11 days ago

    So I just looked it up: According to Proxmox VE “disks” interface, my SATA SSD drives have 1% wearout after ~1 month of low usage. That seems pretty horrible.

    I guess I’m going to wait until they die and buy enterprise SSDs as a replacement.

    I’m definitely not going to use HDDs, as the server is in my living room and I’m not going to tolerate constant HDD sounds.

    [EDIT] I don’t even have a cluster, it’s just a single Proxmox VE on a single server using ZFS and it’s still writing itself to death.

    [EDIT2] What do you think about Samsung OEM Datacenter SSD PM893 3,84 TB?

    Thanks for your input!

    • mlfh@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      11 days ago

      The datasheet for the Samsung PM893 3.84TB drives say they’re warrantied for 7PBW and 2 million hours MTBF (can write 7PB or run for 2 million hours before average drive failure). Quite pricey, but looks like it’ll run forever in a home environment.

      Good luck!

      • hamsda@feddit.orgOPEnglish
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        11 days ago

        Thank you very much for your input. I’ll definitely have to go for the business models whenever the current ones die.

        I knew I would make some mistake and learn something new, with this being my first real server-PC (instead of mini-pc or raspberry pi) and RAID. I just wished it wasn’t that pricey of a mistake :(

        • mlfh@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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          9 days ago

          I wouldn’t say it’s a big mistake, you’ve likely still got a few years left on your current drives as-is. And you can replace them with same- or larger-capacity drives one at a time to spread the cost out.

          Keep an eye out for retired enterprise ssds on ebay or the like - I got lucky and found mine there for $20 each, with 5 years of uptime but basically nothing written to them so no wearout at all - probably just sat in a server with static data for a full refresh cycle. They’ve been great.

          • hamsda@feddit.orgOPEnglish
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            9 days ago

            Sadly, it seems I cannot replace the disks one-by-one. At least not if I don’t upgrade the SSD size to greater than 4TB at the same time.

            The consumer 4TB SSDs yield 3,64 TiB, whereas the datacenter 4TB SSDs seem to yield 3,49 TiB. As far as I know, one cannot replace a zfs raid z1 drive with a smaller one. I’ll have to watch the current consumer SSDs closely and be prepared for when I’ll have to switch them.

            I’m not all too sure about buying used IT / stuff in general from ebay, but I’ll have a look, thanks!

            • dbtng@eviltoast.orgEnglish
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              5 days ago

              If you want enterprise gear on the cheap, yes. Ebay.
              There are regular vendors on Ebay with thousands of verified sales. Go with those till you figure it all out.
              You can definitely make bad choices, but even when I’ve gotten bad drives, the vendor just immediately refunded the money, like that day.