Locking. The comment section is a perfect summary of why so many people don’t want to be associated with Linux users. I should’ve removed the post outright because it is inflammatory, reactionary, and invites toxicity – evidenced by the fact that the downvotes on dissenting comments are largely made by the same users. I wonder if a pattern might emerge.
There is a discussion to be had about the topic… but it went to exchanging insults and downvoting out of disagreement.
What kept me from swapping longer than anything else was spite for the shitty linux community.
And they’re straignt up delusional about the amount of software that works on Linux. There is no FOSS equivalent to Wilcom, for example. It’s like how they claim GIMP is the same as Photoshop, but I’ve used both and GIMP is absolute ass in comparison.
Yeah it’s a tough switch. It’s a lot like getting out of a relationship that you know isn’t gonna work, but every time you go to end it you think “hey it isn’t that bad right NOW is it?” and put it off.
A clean break would be faster and easier for everybody involved.
Now you DO stand to accrue some extra skills by spending some time with a foot in both workflows. It makes you have to learn some weird shit. But in the long run idk if that actually helps more than it hurts.
I took a long time to make the switch lol.
Yeah it’s a tough switch. It’s a lot like getting out of a relationship that you know isn’t gonna work, but every time you go to end it you think “hey it isn’t that bad right NOW is it?” and put it off.
A clean break would be faster and easier for everybody involved.
Exactly! And having enablers of that toxic relationship, like the person quoted in that other post, scolding people for making that exact point only makes the situation even worse.
This is one of those situations where “both sides are bad” actually holds weight.
Yes, Linux communities are full of insufferable shitheads who have way too much emotional investment in what is essentially a tool. I onced looked up some information on Youtube about flatpacks to educated myself and ended up watching some moron have a 20 minute meltdown about how they’re “soy and unmanly”. As a Linux user, that is fucking embarassing.
Hardline Windows users are shitheads in their own right, too. If something isn’t handed to them or requires effort beyond dragging and droppping files, it’s proper shit and you’re just an out-of-touch nerd for trying to mainstream this esoteric nonsense. It’s a thought-terminating cliche about Linux and its users that’s about 25 years out of date. I don’t know shit about the terminal, BASH, or what the fuck a GRUB is but I’ve been using Linux Mint for two years now with zero issues. Yes, even when running games.
The shift to Linux is a tough one, and it just cannot happen all at once. The longer you spend in a workflow, the longer it takes to change it. If we offer our support and kindness to people when they struggle with Windows, it lends more credibility when we recommend Linux. Plus, I’m not really going to complain about another opportunity to call out when Microsoft does more dumb shit.
This right here is why you don’t have a romantic partner
please please no, i don’t want a huge wave of normies infiltrating our space.
Don’t worry, the normies don’t want to infiltrate your space either
man this is hard to not agree with
but gosh i have to disagree, the eternal summer has been upon us for 30 years. they deserve better
Ah yes let’s be dicks. That’s how you can get people to switch over.
do you ever stop to think about it sometimes?
how worked up you are because people use an operating system you don’t like. imagine doing that with other things.
“ugh this shirt is kinda itchy” “well that’s your own damn fault for using this bad shirt!!! next time switch to a better shirt you useless fuck!”
I don’t much care what people use but to me it feels more like:
“ugh, this shirt is taking photos of my nipples and publishing them for everyone to see and I had to consent to even be able to put it on after having paid for it, also as of late, it’s started making me watch ads in order to wash it and wants me to talk to an IA and train it or it’ll shock me.”
Obviously people are going to tell you to use something else.
I get worked up when people constantly complain about shit they chose, or somehow are incapable of learning basic shit that is trivially easy compared to the job they do every day.
“change your skeleton or get bigger pants, dumbfuck” is one I said to someone who kept wearing tiny pants and constantly complaining about it leaving marks, being hard to poop, etc. it was not an issue of being overweight either, they just really wanted this ugly pair of probably child size pants to work.
or when both of my parents kept complaining about their viruses and calling me about every popup to ask if its the real antivirus or fake, after like all of highschool and a few more years putting up with it, it was “fuck this, its linux time and you can get used to it or pay someone else to help you” now my dad can happily pirate movies without fucking up everything and my mom can at least not be panicked over antivirus notifications and call me at irritating times of day and I don’t dread seeing them any more.
I mean if that person kept wearing that shirt every fucking day and complaining about it every time, i probably would eventually say that. Like its not that complicated.
Who is your imaginary person you made up that does that literally every day? Where’s the strawman you made up?
Except the shirt is fused to their body. And they are incapable of removing it.
Brb, going to get fired for installing Linux on all the work computers.
Nobody gives a fuck about your work computer privacy. This is about about personal devices.
You seem really mad and like you give a lot of fucks actually.
Sure
the largest barrier to linux is its user base
Dont interact with it then. There are manuals.
Outdated and poorly written so a normal user can’t do shit, but yeah, there are manuals and documentation.
Replying to that with an “RTFM” response has to be some kind of meta-joke.
It was meant to be, seems people were unhappy with it 😅
No one deserves to be treated like that. The fact that there are people that righteously believe people deserve to be treated like that is part of our problems as a society.
Agreed, and I think Gordon Ramsay is an excellent choice for this meme, because he engages in the exact kind of behavior that people are celebrating with this meme: flinging verbal abuse at people who are ‘doing it wrong’ and overall out-group bullying.
Wanting to scream at people for using or complaining about Windows is peak “touch grass.”
For all companies and corpos to switch to Linux, it needs to become a new Windows, because the core difference between proprietary and free software, in my opinion, is not the way it is distributed but the way it is developped and used. It is “we’ll do everything for you in a centralised manner and you’ll just passively consume it” vs. “everyone is a creator, creating new stuff on their own in a decentralised manner out of the will for self-actualisation” philosophy. So I think truely free software isn’t compatible with centralised and uncreative type of production which most companies are. Basically DIY vs. commercial support.
As a European IT admin:
Everyone in HR, finance, sales, management can all be moved to Linux. They all use webinterfaces for all of their work.
Software development, no windows specific software.
Even marketing / image creation… More and more software is ready or available for Linux.
Ignoring this very real option for most of your people is indeed silly these days.
Hell it might be worth having a central windows VM that people can rdp into for that one old windows app.
Fun for you, but certainly not possible for your average company.
HR, finance, sales, management only webinterface they use is Sharepoint. All the rest is done on proprietary software and Excel.
Software development have been creating Access programs because they need to work with some old IBM server. We’d not only have to replace that hardware, we would also have to replace the experts and hire ones with knowledge about the new languages to be used, and convert everything on the servers of course…
Marketing is maybe the easiest, but they will need to get used to new software.
And all of the users will need to follow training to use Linux.
Users complain when a button moves a centimeter, they will definitely complain when their entire OS changes.
So no, it is easier to rebuild an entire company than it is to switch the environment.
From my MSP and corporate experience it definitely depends on the organization for how viable migrating some users to Linux might be.
I’ve seen some organizations that could be migrated tomorrow if the political will was there, and I’ve seen some organizations where all but 5 of the computer users are running CAD software and interfacing with architectural plotters.
Realistically it all relies on the political will to try something new. With the digital sovereignty push in Europe there’s suddenly a ton of political will to try something new and not just buy whatever Microsoft is selling like many orgs have done for the last nearly 3 decades. It’s also convenient that Microsoft is trying to say tons of perfectly capable machines are ewaste so there’s significant cost savings available to these orgs by switching if they have enough older machines in use still
Something tells me that if a city can do it in 2004, so could a company with all the improvements in 2025. And as with the city, the biggest issue will be the management being idiots (corruption) and/or underfunding the IT.
If a company has to treat their employees like delicate flowers who can’t deal with a slightly different interface it’s not the issue with software, but the companies’ training program / policies and unwillingness to invest in them. And it’s not like investments in FOSS IT and your employees wouldn’t pay off, all those proprietary licenses are expensive as hell. See link, the city saved money despite even having to develop whole new tools, acquire licenses and whatnot. Lots of small stuff not necessary today anymore.
Not saying it wouldn’t be a complicated endeavour, but certainly not impossible and definitely one that pays off.
I see, so quite an old company then. (Access, IBM server and sharepoint, etc) Not something a newer company would be using.
I can see you would be stuck with that older tech debt. And finding people for that old stuff is harder then finding people that want to use the new stuff.
Teaching people to use Linux? I mean, not much difference between windows and KDE anymore? Just need to know how to log in, and start their software?
In the end, if your company is not able to move and change to a new world / user demands…
I see, so quite an old company then. (Access, IBM server and sharepoint, etc) Not something a newer company would be using.
Oh you sweet sweet summer child
They use the web versions of Microsoft Office?
The important part in business is to not alienate that one power user who does insane Excel magic and singlehandedly keeps the entire company afloat. There’s always one or two of them in any company over a given size
The web version of MS Office is similar enough that for 95% of users it’s no different, but for the other 5% they rely on functionality that hasn’t been ported yet
That said I do think more corporations should be considering Linux as an option for some of their systems. Too many admins insist on installing Windows on everything, refuse to learn Linux and then in the next breath bitch and moan about Microsoft making their lives miserable
Often laptops are so underpowered, and office is so bloated now, its better.
I’m getting the idea people are still using ms office? At least use the online version?
From exact to online sap, nextcloud and email clients, it’s all very much web interface based. So buttons are not moving for these users at all.
I’d treat my boss like that but I still need a job
