• Gladaed@feddit.org
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      3 days ago

      Well. Could at least prompt the user “did you mean make?” Git does that. It’s handy.

  • poinck@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    Both can be very rude to people around them (from what is visible in public). I wouldn’t want either of them as my boss. Apart from that, both have their ways to entertain; I don’t mean by displaying bad behaviour to people; that is no entertainment I enjoy.

  • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    The problem with this is that it gives legitimacy to an idiot YouTuber who has gone out of their way to discourage new Linux users.

    And nevermind all the other garbage from LTT

    • KittyCat@lemmy.world
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      4 days ago

      He honestly did a great service for linux in getting them to really start improving the user experience for the not so computer people. Something that is necessary if Linux ever wants widespread adoption

      • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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        4 days ago

        He honestly did a great service for linux in getting them to really start improving the user experience

        All he did was make the maintainers of apt realize they need to account for the lowest common denominator. As in, really stupid people like Linus Sebastian who can’t read. No one else had that problem.

          • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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            4 days ago

            Hardly, Linux adoption has been going up steadily for many years, and it’s accelerating. And for reasons completely different than this.

    • dev_null@lemmy.ml
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      5 days ago

      Uhh, he promotes Linux at every step? You are free to dislike him and his content, but he’s absolutely a force for Linux adoption.

      • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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        5 days ago

        Then he’s changed his tune. I haven’t watched him for years at this point when I realized how technologically inept they are. I’m thinking specifically of the storage server video.

      • bobo@lemmy.ml
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        5 days ago

        From what I remember it went like this, but I stopped following his crap years ago

        • sees an error message, doesn’t read it
        • starts pasting random shit into the terminal
        • breaks the system
        • Fuck Linux, it’s not ready for use
        • after the Linux community has a meltdown, someone points out to him that he’s an idiot, but in a gentle way you’d tell your boss
        • tries again, gives up again
        • films another video on how windblows just works, while he, a certifiable tech genius, couldn’t get it to work

        Truly “a force for Linux adoption”.

        • dev_null@lemmy.ml
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          5 days ago

          I rewatched the series finale now, and his conclusion seems as I remembered:

          • He had great experiences gaming on Linux
          • His kids used it too without problems
          • “freaking amazing”
          • “totally stable, no crashes”, he was playing multiplayer with a friend a lot
          • Remote Play Together from Steam works great too
          • He learned a lot, will give it another go in the future
          • But it’s not for him yet as a big VR lover
          • He really wants Linux to succeed because he hates the Microsoft monopoly

          He didn’t even bring up his issue in the conclusion. If you can timestamp any “fuck Linux”, I would love to see it, because I really doubt he ever said that.

          That being said, while it’s obviously his fault for ignoring warninigs, it’s ridiculous something as basic as installing Steam got him into that situation in the first place, it’s pop os’s fault for shipping a broken package. And yeah, things like that really don’t happen on Windows.

        • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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          5 days ago

          He is a time poor impatient person. That is something linux will need to address for wider adoption.

          I would argue that their example resulted in some very wide ranging changes in approach that was long overdue.

          Linux was at risk of becoming an “OS for us” instead of a true replacement for everyone.

          I suspect if they repeat the challange today, it would be a night and day difference.

          • Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works
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            5 days ago

            Yeah exactly, same reason I stepped off of linux. I don’t have the time to fix shit and it works with minimal effort is something I need.

            I will switch as soom as it there and I am glad that people are willing to pay the time tax for now so that we have good adoption in the future. It just isn’t for me and I think Linus is the same.

            • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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              5 days ago

              Bazzite was the breakthrough for me. All my stuff just worked. Only 2 things I had to fix was

              1.adding 5.1 audio over Spdif, which was a single ostree command to make it permanent.

              1. Installing Proton-GE for one of my games that does not do well under normal proton.

              Took about an hour to research and fix both.

              I had tried to covert 4 times in the 5 years before. Ubuntu, linux mint and endevourOS would not play well with my hardware in years past.

      • JargonWagon@lemmy.world
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        5 days ago

        I very much so enjoyed their content where they attempted Linux only for 30 days straight. They documented their successes, struggles, and roadblocks. I think they did two different attempts, the first time they didn’t recommend it and the second time they did. I might be misremembering the first attempt.

      • Zink@programming.dev
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        4 days ago

        I watched the Steam Frame VR headset video of his, after not watching for a long time.

        His voice was grating, sure, but the overall delivery was so much worse. He was like a cartoon character that couldn’t decide if they were doing an advertisement or a school report.

        • madjo@feddit.nl
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          3 days ago

          I remember when Valve first introduced the Steam Deck, there were several youtubers present to film content about the Steam Deck for their own channels, and LTTs Linus was audible in all of them, he was that goddamn loud.

    • Wilmo@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      5 days ago

      Is he even very tech savvy? Like IIRC he tried to install a Linux Desktop once. And on installing steam he went ahead with the terminal prompts that were warning him whatever weird command he did was going to nuke his desktop environment.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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        4 days ago

        The weird command was sudo apt install steam pretty much IIRC

        He should’ve read the message, but it also shouldn’t have uninstalled his desktop environment, that should be a very damn safe command to run if we want Linux to be mainstream on the desktop. Sucks that a package dependency error like this managed to make it through QA.

        • squaresinger@lemmy.world
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          3 days ago

          This.

          The Pop_os team accepted that behaviour (installing steam uninstalls the DE) as a bug and it was fixed subsequently.

          They also fixed the whole thing with the error message to make it more difficult to accidentally delete critical system components by installing software entirely unrelated to said system component.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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            2 days ago

            Closed by jackpot51

            Off topic, but System76 is super lucky to have Jeremy Soller. Not because he fixed this particular bug, but because he’s an amazing engineer in general, and also brings visibility to the project because his name is attached to RedoxOS, currently the most fleshed-out OS kernel written in Rust.

            I hope they treat him well enough to keep him around for a long time.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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                2 days ago

                It isn’t super stable, but it has super cow powers!

                I like Zypper. When there’s a conflict, Zypper tells me I can keep obsolete packages, or break the system, or uninstall something. I’ve yet to nuke my system with Zypper, despite there often being conflicts.

                Of course since I use OpenSuSE (Tumbleweed), it also has btrfs with snapshots enabled by default. So while I haven’t nuked the system because of anything like that, there’s been one or two times when a nvidia driver update among the other packages nuked my GUI. So I just went and loaded a previous snapshot, and tried updating again later.

                I’ve used other cool package managers (heheheh Portage), but I think Zypper is the most user-friendly

      • lepinkainen@lemmy.world
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        5 days ago

        That case was a legitimate bug in the specific PopOS version he was using

        It was bad luck on every side. Mostly because pop doesn’t update packages during install

          • tempest@lemmy.ca
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            5 days ago

            If you don’t have Linux experience it would not have helped. That’s coupled with the way people help with Linux, which is often type this thing into the terminal that you don’t really understand.

            He was just conditioned by windows and Macos asking for administration prompts for everything. Linux just lets you break a ton more crap way more quickly.

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              4 days ago

              It definitely would have helped in this case, given the warnings he skipped were literally telling him that doing the thing will break his install. He literally had to type a full phrase in to get it to do it.

              You don’t need Linux experience to understand that you should pause and reconsider when you get messages like that.

              That’s not even tech literacy, that’s just literacy.

      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        5 days ago

        I don’t watch his other content but in that one video he was absolutely doing exactly what a typical user would do in his situation. He was trying to follow a tutorial, he ran into the sort of warning message Windows users are conditioned to breeze past, and followed the onscreen instructions without trying to understand the confusing stuff. They changed how it worked after that incident, as they should if mass adoption is at all desirable.

        • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          5 days ago

          The GUI wouldn’t let him break it, so he tried the command line.

          The command line required him to type, with punctuation “Yes, do as I say!” after a big warning.

          If an average user will do that, the “fix” of needing to create a file before being able to type “Yes, do as I say!” isn’t going to change anything

          • yistdaj@pawb.social
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            5 days ago

            I think there were a few other changes indirectly inspired by what had transpired, but admittedly I can’t remember most of them. I think Debian also modified apt.

            I also think I remember immutable distros taking off just after this.

            • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              5 days ago

              Pop_OS put in a patch that required you to create a file /etc/apt/break-my-system and Debian added a flag instead.

              My point was if someone is going to blindly follow an instruction to type that, they’re just as likely to blindly follow an instruction to touch /etc/apt/break-my-system or an instruction to add --allow-remove-essential

              The Gnome software GUI, what the average user would use, didn’t allow it.

              KDE realized Discover would have allowed it (after a warning), so that was fixed

              • yistdaj@pawb.social
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                5 days ago

                I think the point of both is that even if he skipped all the text explaining he’s about to break the system, he would have still have had to type the words explaining them, and therefore hopefully think about the words he’s typing. It might not protect against copy-paste as effectively, but there’s a higher chance he’d read what he’d copied than a wall of text. Not 100% effective, but it’s probably going to catch more users than “do as I say”, where he still thought he was installing Steam, so it’s good those changes were made.

                But yes, it won’t catch everyone like Linus because they either won’t think about it or they will copy-paste without reading. Ultimately an immutable distro might be best for him. Then again he might still find a way to break it somehow.

        • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
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          5 days ago

          All I’m seeing there is he decided to deliberately did something wrong on behalf of an imaginary person and then complain that doing the deliberately wrong thing broke the computer.

          • BunScientist@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            5 days ago

            tbf if your desktop environment gets uninstalled after “sudo apt install steam” it’s not entirely the user’s fault

            • mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz
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              5 days ago

              wait what? which distro does that? I’ve installed steam probably 50+ times like that… (haven’t seen the video since youtube is impossible to watch with a VPN)

      • festnt@sh.itjust.works
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        5 days ago

        yeah, though he is used to windows warning with every program install that it might break the pc so ignoring a warning isn’t THAT unexpected