Gonna be downvoted, because apparently this is car brain central, but the amount of mental gymnastics people will do to make red light camera enforcement “bad” is crazy.
The US’ private company control over these cameras notwithstanding.
Fuck me, so many people die on on roads, and especially at intersections.
I just don’t think having this kind of surveillance state apparatus is ever worth it I don’t want the government or private companies tracking my every move.
I don’t even own a car and I want these cameras gone.
No, this is a transportation problem as well. Cameras arent a solution to the problem of too many cars and carcentric infrastructure design lol, its literally a bandaid solution that only affects the poor negatively and no one else. People who complain about the cameras have every right to complain.
Before any camera is installed, cities should instead be spending that money on reworking street design and getting more buses and banning more cars. Capitalism fixes these problems by letting poor people foot the bill, socialism solves this by making rich people pay their fair share. Are you against taxing the rich instead for safer roads by banning cars on bus-only streets?
Funnily enough, this is my even more preferred solution haha
I am for public transport centric cities, where you can safely walk across streets, and cities are designed for people, not cars.
I am 100% for everything you’ve said, including socialism.
It’s just I’m also living in the world as it currently is, and if we’re gonna have car-centric hell holes, I at least want to make breaking the rules have consequences, so car centrism is A BIT safer. Income based fines to boot.
Most certainly is a band-aid, though. Do agree.
But I just get pissed when dickheads think speeding isn’t a bit deal, or red-light cameras are just for revenue raising, as if driving a massive hunk of metal is a serious responsibility, not to be taken lightly.
The city I work for put up Flock cameras with specific instructions from Council that they were only to be used for identification of cars flagged in active warrants.
Within a week of their installation, police used the cameras to track the movements of someone who filed a complaint.
I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.
yeah that’s the rub. what municipality do you trust to manage them properly in this day and age? I’ve seen horror stories from all over the US, UK…
I fucking hate, absolutely despise the vroom vroom dickheads who make these technologies desirable. I want them to be held accountable but am not sure it’s worth the ice goons and yokel yokels who will abuse their capabilities.
Gonna be downvoted, because apparently this is car brain central, but the amount of mental gymnastics people will do to make red light camera enforcement “bad” is crazy.
The US’ private company control over these cameras notwithstanding.
Fuck me, so many people die on on roads, and especially at intersections.
Shout out to Road Guy Rob
https://youtu.be/pH9dnJ8BmY0
Yeah, love this guy’s videos
I just don’t think having this kind of surveillance state apparatus is ever worth it I don’t want the government or private companies tracking my every move.
I don’t even own a car and I want these cameras gone.
People enjoy driving dangerously. They don’t see it as risky because they haven’t been killed in a crash yet.
Cops enforcing traffic? Bad.
Cameras enforcing traffic? Bad.
very few people would complain about traffic police if the cops didn’t carry guns or were not trained to pit maneuver you for not wearing a seatbelt
So, we agree. This is specifically a US police problem.
But many people argue against speed cameras and red light cameras in general, as if they have the right to endanger people’s lives.
Pit maneuvers are insane, and aren’t done in most other civilised countries.
No, this is a transportation problem as well. Cameras arent a solution to the problem of too many cars and carcentric infrastructure design lol, its literally a bandaid solution that only affects the poor negatively and no one else. People who complain about the cameras have every right to complain.
Before any camera is installed, cities should instead be spending that money on reworking street design and getting more buses and banning more cars. Capitalism fixes these problems by letting poor people foot the bill, socialism solves this by making rich people pay their fair share. Are you against taxing the rich instead for safer roads by banning cars on bus-only streets?
Funnily enough, this is my even more preferred solution haha
I am for public transport centric cities, where you can safely walk across streets, and cities are designed for people, not cars.
I am 100% for everything you’ve said, including socialism.
It’s just I’m also living in the world as it currently is, and if we’re gonna have car-centric hell holes, I at least want to make breaking the rules have consequences, so car centrism is A BIT safer. Income based fines to boot.
Most certainly is a band-aid, though. Do agree.
But I just get pissed when dickheads think speeding isn’t a bit deal, or red-light cameras are just for revenue raising, as if driving a massive hunk of metal is a serious responsibility, not to be taken lightly.
The city I work for put up Flock cameras with specific instructions from Council that they were only to be used for identification of cars flagged in active warrants.
Within a week of their installation, police used the cameras to track the movements of someone who filed a complaint.
Fuck the police
this is entirely the problem, because they’re turning over info to ICE and other agencies and it’s being used oppressively.
Hence my carve out. I don’t support the privacy nightmare the US has.
I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.
People don’t have the right to have no consequences for their dangerous behaviour.
yeah that’s the rub. what municipality do you trust to manage them properly in this day and age? I’ve seen horror stories from all over the US, UK…
I fucking hate, absolutely despise the vroom vroom dickheads who make these technologies desirable. I want them to be held accountable but am not sure it’s worth the ice goons and yokel yokels who will abuse their capabilities.
That is a voter problem rather than a camera problem.