And that’s the story of why I switched to Arch <3
Obligatory Ubuntu sucks message
I am literally running Ubuntu right now and I don’t get this comic. I have never been asked to subscribe to Ubuntu Pro, if I have it was noninvasive that I didn’t notice.
It’s only LTS. Desktop users rarely use LTS. Great to have live kernel updates on a developer workstation and servers though.
Thank you for educating me, but this makes less sense now. The only people who should/need to run LTS are people we a specific reason for staying on an older OS. And if that’s the case you should no what you are getting into.
Exactly, it’s just people finding an excuse to complain about. It’s more like an extension of the Unix wars or the editor wars or the browser wars. People have to find a reason to justify their choice.
Stuff like that is a major reason why I switched to Debian on my servers.
The abusive bullshit needs to stop.
LIN 👏
NUX 👏
MINT 👏
I’ve seen plenty of Debian mentions, and no pushback there whatsoever from me.
But if you find yourself frustrated that you can’t just have Ubuntu without Canonical’s snaps and ads and other ickiness, Mint is exactly that. Or maybe better, I dunno. It’s super polished and full featured and stable.
And even better in this era of Windows 10 support ending, the main/default version (Linux Mint Cinnamon) looks like Windows out of the box but it installs, works, and updates at like 10x the speed. (The 10x is an exaggeration for moment to moment desktop work and latency, but for the install and especially for updates I think it’s accurate)
+1 for Mint. It’s what I give the elders when they need a computer.
Yeah, it is what I’m going to install on my parents’ Win10 machines, but it is also what I use myself at home and work. There are almost no new users I wouldn’t recommend it to.
No distro is going to work for everybody, of course, and having the choice is part of the beauty. The mint project is doing great stuff though.
I really enjoy Zorin. It’s based on Ubuntu from what I recall. Has great features too.
Yep, looks like it’s based on Ubuntu and specifically targets Windows converts with its out of box experience.
Their website is very commercial and “upgrade to pro now” though. If the distro isn’t pushy about it once installed, then maybe no big deal.
One nice thing with Mint is that it’s still funded by donations and sponsorships, and not any kind of commercial activity. It has that FOSSy aspect of being a good distro just for the sake of being good software for the world, not to be the entry point into somebody’s business plan.
It’s a distro that satisfies the side of me that’s the ADHD software engineer that wants access to the deepest most basic workings of my system, while also satisfying the side of me that’s an old man with a lot of non-computer hobbies outside work who just needs the shit to work unless I actively use my super user powers to break it.
It hasn’t been pushy from my experience with it. The upsell is all on the site amd wasn’t too onerous imo.
I mostly just want shit to work too anymore. I don’t like spending my freetime fixing stuff that shouldn’t be broken. But I appreciate there being access to tinker when I need or want.
Linnux?
Saw it. Decided not to change it because that’s how somebody doing the “clapping on the syllable” thing would say it.
I currently try Bazzite, which is a gaming focused fedora-atomic spinoff. I think this is finally my distro to switch the desktop from windows.
That’s why I switched to Ubuntu. It gives me the safe corporate vibes while using Linux.
Why not RHEL then? It even has “enterprise” in the name!
Okay, sure, but how often does it spam ads?
Does it keep asking me to register for something that either shouldn’t need registering or exist at all? Does it tell me to subscribe for a service every time I open up the terminal?
We all need one or two ads, as a treat.
I like the animal wallpapers that come by default
I just dont feel safe without a random corporate office worker having full access to my device.
So at work they want to switch all our servers from Debian to Ubuntu and now I read this? I’m so confused right now…
If you have pro enabled on an LTS version of Ubuntu, then you get live security updates, too include the kernel, as well as security updates for 10 years. Handy for developer workstations though. These people are whining and crying when desktop users rarely use the LTS version.
I love how in Garuda linux, the same command as
sudo apt update;sudo apt upgradeis justyay. Like “Yay, I’m upgrading my system!” Makes me happy when I run it even though it is a bit like pulling a slot machine lever for if it’s going to break something in my system. My plasmashell environment only recently got fixed. It was crashing like crazy for about 2 weeks.Did you know “Ubuntu” is Swaheli for “can’t get Debian installed”?
The language or the rotary flying machine
🤣🤣🤣🤣
just use Debian.
or even Linux Mint
My current plan is to try, how you say…CachyOS?
Mainly, I want a clearer idea of what the “fork bases” are, so that when I inevitably run into some problems, I can google “How do I prevent window docking in Plasma” or “How do I prevent window docking in Arch”. Not, “How do I prevent window docking in ObscureCachyFork875”.
I think I’ve had several attempts on “simple” distros, and unfortunately I think the trend of trying to simplify things for me has just cut off customization options that irk me to no end.
CachyOS is Arch. It’s close enough that any searching about how to modify it will be applicable. You can even install Arch and apply the same modifications that CachyOS has. My personal experience is that it just works. I moved from Bazzite, an immutable distro wasn’t for me.
If you often find yourself in a position when you can’t troubleshoot issues yourself, CachyOS might not be the perfect option. It’s Arch far and wide, iirc since I tried it about half a year ago, it doesn’t even feature something as basic as the app store, and is heavily terminal-based. Considering how many diverse issues Arch can create, this turns into a nightmare very quickly.
Currently, I ended up running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my machines.
- It’s an OG distro, so no fork issues
- Has decently large userbase
- Is nearly as bleeding-edge as Arch
- At the same time is rock solid thanks to advanced automatic package testing
- Does not brick your system upon poor update
- Has good and user-friendly documentation (that can be understood by non-nerds, unlike Arch Wiki)
- Unlike newbie-friendly distros, does not assume user is an idiot and gives all power at your fingertips
- Has btrfs and snapper properly set up by default to easily revert most mistakes you can make
So, generally, this is the peace of mind rolling release distro that just works, doesn’t bother you too much and at the same time allows you to spend as much time under the hood as you like. You’re unlikely to break anything, you can always revert if you do, packages are well-tested and unlikely to cause issues, and on this solid foundation, you can do anything you like.
The thing about Ubuntu that kills me (as a user of it) is the other users who comment on reddit/r/Ubuntu.
They are so confidentally incorrect about so much shit.
Talk about removing snaps?
“Core gnome functionality on Ubuntu requires snaps”
That’s not even remotely true. Snaps download runtime libraries for it, just like Flatpaks do to run the snaps.
Just an example but still. I see so much crap like this.
Wow, who would have thought the entry level linux distro might be full of inexperienced people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
I really hate all these snaps and flatpacks and docker and blah blah blah.
Its about impossible to find a simple series of commands to just install and run some program anymore.
I also keep running into issues, especially with Docker where it assumes its the only thing that exists and everything uses the same port.
Yeah, it’s the Cognitive Bias fallacy. Reminds me of all the anti Linux users who continue using the “Linux wont be ready for the average user, because no average user wants to write a compiler from scratch just so they can compile their programs”. If you don’t like something, you don’t like it. No problem, no reason to whine and cry about it. You like a different distro, great, go use it. That’s how distro’s work. Everything eventually helps everybody and you just pick a distro that gets you close to what you want. I started with Slackware 3.4, to me everything is great.
A friend of mine is a computer illiterate. His laptop doesn’t support Win11 because of the missing secure boot.
I installed Linux mint and showed him firefox, but he preferred chrome, so I got him Brave. Steam was downloaded, the update center was self explanatory.
He loves the speed.
Why would you install Brave when he liked chrome? You could have gone with any other non crypto bro non ad company chrome fork.
Basic Chromium would have been better.
That’s awesome. This is why Linux is king. The Linux inertia is building.
My ubuntu experience since 4.0
Either Something Has Gone Wrong, or Serious system problem detected.
Even Recently! You would think new installs with nothing added wouldnt happen but here we are.
This is why I switched back to Debian Stable on my servers, can’t deal with this shit.
Also the fact that if you’re not up to date on updates, you can go fuck yourself as far as Ubuntu is considered. Debian will let you upgrade from any version without complaints
Yep 100%. Ubuntu did this once, googled it, and said aloud “Ah hell no!! …” Between this and Snaps I was like ok I’m done. Started researching things like Mint and PopOs. Decided to just stick with Debian. Especially since ProxMox is basically just specialized Debian designed for KVM virtualization.
Yeah I also had a similar problem with updates. Had an old Ubuntu vm that I could not get to upgrade without lots of pain. It’s like they were trying to piss me off.
Proxmox nagging subscription message on login be like
There are also very easy ways of making the nag screen go away.
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=post-pve-install
But yes if you’re running this in prod, pay for it. It’s not expensive and way less then Broadcom VMWare…
If you’re using proxmox in a production environment and making money it doesn’t cost much at all compared to VMware. I see it as helping fund production of software that right now still seems very solid
Apparently you can turn those off but I haven’t bothered.
This script does it as one of the steps https://pimox-scripts.com/scripts?id=post-pve-install
I was annoyed too when I saw the message, but, if I understood it correctly, it’s a matter of widening the scope of the LTS version. The extra packages would only be updated on the next release, or are already updated if you don’t use LTS. The message make it seem like they are withholding security patches, but it has always been like that and nobody cared. We just want everything to be updated, even if it’ll make no difference.
