• SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
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    25 days ago

    Nowadays I find myself checking changelogs to see what features they’ve broken and what AI features I now need to disable…

    • Cevilia (she/they/…)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      26 days ago

      Also Windows 11 if your computer won’t run it and you don’t know about LTSC editions from the Mass Grave.

      So many hoops to jump through just to keep using your computer… glad I’m on Linux which runs on a potato

  • geoff@midwest.socialEnglish
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    26 days ago

    First two are right on, but I haven’t been charged for an actual software update on the Mac in 30 years.

      • Taldan@lemmy.world
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        26 days ago

        I distinctly remember seeing this comic many years ago, so it could be from around that time

      • thejml@sh.itjust.works
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        26 days ago

        I bought it… i wanted the physical disc so I could make a few hackintoshes.

        It was only $29.00… I thought that was a weird price, but cheap enough that I didn’t feel the need to try to pirate it. I don’t think windows has been under $100 In decades.

      • m0stlyharmless@lemmy.zip
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        26 days ago

        Macintosh Garden has various OS install images among a bunch of other software. There are also preconfigured installations of Mac OS 9 for Windows and macOS in Sheepshaver with integration with the host system.

        QEMU is also an option for running Mac OS 9. It can run the final release of Classic Mac OS (9.2.2), unlike Sheepshaver. It has overall better software compatibility. Preinstalled versions for QEMU can be found on The Internet Archive. File transfer in and out of the emulated system is a bit more involved than with ShespShaver, though.

        If you just want to play around with these systems briefly and won’t necessarily be using them on a regular basis, Infinite Mac is a really cool project to emulate them right from your browser.

    • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      26 days ago

      No, it’s more like, and update is availa…. Ooooh, your MacBook is no longer supported. That’ll be $2,500 please.

          • thejml@sh.itjust.works
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            26 days ago

            Seriously? There are third party apps to get mac to install a newer os than Apple says it should. Similarly MS prevents installing on PC without certain capabilities unless you install a third party app to bypass. Birds of a feather.

  • csm10495@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    25 days ago

    I’d venture some Linux folks refuse to upgrade because of fears of compatibility issues.

    The nice thing is having the choice.

  • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    I don’t know… first time I installed Fedora as a desktop experience, I was more like the windows user in this comic.
    On every boot: “Oh, lets see if there are any updates! 1.2 GB, 150 packages need updating. No fucking way.”. It was just a shock, and I’ve managed my own headless Debian system for several years at that point.

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      26 days ago

      Right? I honestly don’t get where all those “Windows is constantly updating” memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you’re the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update…

  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    26 days ago

    Windows has gotten even WORSE lately. Even though I have Windows 10 set to not install or even download updates without asking, I sometimes get a pop-up saying “we are adding new features, please wait” out of nowhere 🤬

    In related news, I’ve installed Zorin OS on my laptop and hope to one day use it on my desktop that I play pirated games on…

    Speaking of, is there any way to change settings so that the login password can be just a short pin i stead of the strong-ish password demanded by default?

    Since I never leave it unattended (and rarely even use it) in public I don’t really need the security against unauthorized use and since I mostly use my laptop for streaming, typing a password every time I start up is a hassle I’d rather avoid…

    • muhyb@programming.dev
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      26 days ago

      While some distros let you choose short passwords, most of them don’t nowadays. However, you can still change your user’s password despite to this. Just open terminal, type sudo passwd username, type your desired password and enter. This way you can even use one character passwords, you really shouldn’t though.

    • waldfee@feddit.org
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      26 days ago

      asking this question is the hallmark of an unstable distro. Sure, having minor bugs come and go is expected with rolling release, but when you’re not sure your system will work after an update there is something wrong with the distro

  • twinnie@feddit.uk
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    25 days ago

    This whole thing seems inaccurate. I literally never get even remotely excited about a Linux update, it’s always boring stuff that means nothing to me. I don’t Windows updates because I feel like it delivers them in a big lump and lets me install as I shutdown, which is easy. Apple hasn’t charged for updates in well over a decade.

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      26 days ago

      I honestly don’t get where all those “Windows is constantly updating” memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you’re the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update…

      • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        26 days ago

        It comes from people being unwilling to learn how Windows works or how to configure it, but being 100% on board to tinker to hell and back with Linux. So you get a lot of innaccurate info from people who think their Linux skills confer some amount of knowledge with Windows when they never took the time to learn it as well, or when they haven’t used it outside of corporate controlled work machines (if they even encounter Windows that way) in half a decade.

        There’s an argument (which I agree with to a point) that you shouldn’t have to learn how such a big paid product like Windows works in order to avoid frustrations, while it’s understandable in an open source thing like Linux distros. But it ultimately boils down to a combo of “Windows bad!” and learned helplessness when it comes to Windows that people are willing to push through for Linux.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          26 days ago

          I kind of agree with you, with a caveat - I think people coming from Linux or Mac see Windows, and start poking around trying to make it do things that Linux or Mac do. And when that breaks the OS or is just not possible, they call the “Windows bad” card.

          But here’s the thing - I gave my 80 year old mother a Windows laptop. She uses it to check her email, read the news and watch YouTube.

          It’s a breeze. Everything just works, the OS updates itself automagically when she’s not looking, the photos from her phone magically appear in her Photos application on the laptop (by way of OneDrive), if she needs to switch to a newer laptop, all the bookmarks and files are already there when she logs in, because of MS Account/OneDrive/Edge profile, etc.

          I love Linux, I have it on my gaming PC just to stick it to MS, but I would never think of giving my mother a Linux device because I know shit would break, or get weird, or just require attention from someone who understands how sudo works. On Windows she has a regular user account (there’s a separate admin account she can’t remember the password for so I always know when something requires it because she calls me - it’s around once a year at most), has no knowledge of anything other than “click swirly blue icon to browse funny YouTube videos or check email”, and… everything just works.

      • monogram@feddit.nlEnglish
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        26 days ago

        Nothing stops you from apt/dnf/… install every first Tuesday of the month on Linux.

      • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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        26 days ago

        Its because of how it disrespects the user. it keeps nagging you to update, then forces it at an inconvenient time and because the updates take so long in comparison.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          26 days ago

          The process is simple:

          1. Patch Tuesday happens, updates are rolled out.
          2. Within 0-4 days (or therabouts) of a Patch Tuesday, updates hit your device.
          3. Everything is happening 100% in the background at this point. Updates are getting prepped for installation.
          4. If you haven’t rebooted to apply the updates for about 4-7 days, you’ll start getting notifications that you should
          5. If you have Active Hours set up, the OS will not bother you while these are active.
          6. After something like 10-14 days you might be forced to apply the updates.

          To each their own, but I wouldn’t call this “disrespecting the user”. And “forcing updates at an inconvenient time” is just silly, with how much leeway you’re getting.

          Also: maybe you’re used to something much faster, but, personally, I don’t find clicking “update and shutdown” when I go to sleep and then coming back to an updated PC in the morning that problematic. The longest I had to sit through the updates was 20 minutes because I wanted to apply a Feature Update.

          I guess my point is: there’s A LOT to bash Microsoft and Windows for. No need to invent things that aren’t there.

      • hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org
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        26 days ago

        nah they don’t seem to roll updates all at once, i’ve had two win10 machines a few years ago (started from same fresh install iso) and they always got auto updated in different day.

        • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          26 days ago

          That would likely be the default settings trying to avoid times when you normally use the machine to install the update.

          • hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org
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            26 days ago

            this was before the 7day(?) delay option appeared, there was no config. and in many cases the update wasn’t shown on start menu and shutdown/restart looked innocent until i clicked them and it started updating lol. i later just killed wupdate permanently via registry from safe mode.

          • 1984@lemmy.today
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            26 days ago

            I know, just so happy to run Linux. Honestly wouldnt bother with computers if windows or mac was the only OS. They have no spirit of sharing.

        • kchr@lemmy.sdf.org
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          26 days ago

          You forget the other side of the coin with using a rolling distro like Arch - you more or less have to keep updating the system a couple of times per week, especially if you want to be able to install new packages with a lot of dependencies.

          Not saying I personally have any problems with it, but it’s worth mentioning when talking about how quick and easy it is to update the system (which it truly is)… ;-)

      • waz@feddit.ukEnglish
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        26 days ago

        Corporate installs have constant updates, mandated by the IT department, not by the user. I can’t get through the start or end of a work day without the twirling dots waiting animation.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          26 days ago

          If they’re using WUfB or Autopatch, it should be happening once a month, some time after the Patch Tuesday (depending on internal policy).

          If they’re just grabbing whatever Microsoft publishes (like “civilian” gear), you should be getting one update a couple of days after Patch Tuesday.

          There might be a second update, if it’s a critical fix, some time after the first, but that’s super rare these days.

          If your corpo laptop updates non-stop, talk to your IT, it’s not normal.