Should name products made from animals as they are: spherical gassed pig after a short, miserable life without ever seeing daylight. Or: salty fat from methane burping cows that could also have fed their killed off offspring.
salty fat from methane burping cows that could also have fed their killed off offspring.
Who eats suet and why have you made it salty? I’d think “salty fat” would be closer to bacon.
It’s a favorite vegan pastime to invent the most disgustable description of animal based foods possible.
First time ever!
Well I’m sorry to say but I think you just won’t be able to come up with anything that would deter someone.
Common sense to stop meat consumption also has not worked sufficiently until now. Any ideas for a better strategy? Or just plunge forward into an inhabitable planet, discarding any responsibility, mistreating animals as we go?
Nice strawman.
What’s it like, living in a black and white world?
Literally no idea. You can’t see cause and effect, can you? No sense of empathy neither. Ah well, you’re not alone, unfortunately. For the moment.
Again, black and white.
There’s no arguing a moron who keeps pretending it’s black and white. I’ll prove to you just how asinine your view is: my brother is a hunter. They cull roe deer to keep the population in check, since humans have been the apex predator in these parts for thousands of years.
If they didn’t cull them, the population would destroy the entire ecological system, which would lead to all the deer dying, eventually. Not to mention increased deer accidents on roads, killing more people.
So while you like to pretend that death is horrible and to be avoided at all costs if you can, but then end up advocating practices which would lead to suffering and death, just indirectly.
Ie if you’re put into a trolley problem, you’re the type to just stand there without pulling the lever which would save several life at the cost of one, because “murdering is wrong and I’d bw actively killing the other person myself”. Meaning that you put your own ideas and the sense of personality you have above the lives of others. Not just better as ideas, but you’d actually stand there watching the trolley roll over people you could’ve saved, but chose not to, so that you can just blame others.
And you talk of empathy, rofl. Maybe start by trying to understand your own thoughts/views.
Oh and eating the resulting meat from the culling is fucking delicious AND moral.
What would you do with sheep amd cows btw? They require people. Sheep have to be shorn. If you don’t shear your sheep, that’s tantamount to animal abuse. So we end up getting wool, but you don’t think it’s moral to use that. Why?
So if you think we can’t keep sheep or cows anymore, and they can’t be released into the wild because they are domesticated species. So then stop letting them breed at all, meaning that in a generation, they’d be completely gone.
So you end up advocating for genocide of entire species with this black and white view you have.
You know all the produce you eat is protected from pests and other animals? Your avocado isn’t “cruelty-free” dude, and eating avocados when they’re not even grown on the same continent, have them flown to you? But that’s moral again, because you don’t have to personally think about death you’re indirectly causing.
So yeah
You can’t see cause and effect, can you?
Same tact the meat lobbies used in the US.
Congrats to the meat-farmers and -industry! It shows you are “winning” the game against vegetarians and vegans. Now you can finally stop your usual whining about subsidies and the like - everything solved eh?
I’m sorry, but the “green” burgers aren’t burgers. It’s the same like calling margarine butter.
They tend to advertise very heavily they are not meat, because they want to be found -specifically - by people looking to purchase things that are not meat. Claiming there’s some form of “trickery” afoot is high horseshit
That’s why they’re called veggie burgers, or are you just unfamiliar with how language works? Would you accept a glass of body milk with your breakfast?
The same boomers whining about “vegan burgers” also whine about margarine being called margarine instead of butter, all while hating real butter for being “hard to spread and tasting the same”.
You’re supposed to leave the butter out of the fridge. And tastes really good, unlike margarine.
Yeah “green” burgers don’t involve torturing sentient beings.
Plants are sentient they feel pain.
Plants have feelings too
No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli. If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding. Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question…
Edit: Getting downvoted for scientific facts.
They are not, they don’t even have a central nervous system.
😑 so torture a bunch of alfalfa, or a bunch of alfalfa and a much larger more sentient cow as well?
I just stated a fact. I didn’t share my opinion on veganism. You just established that you aren’t against the torturing of sentient beings and that you think life dying in order to support other life is a good thing. That you do infact see some life as inferior to other life. I just wanted to point out your extremely poor choice of words lol
Wow. This is the state of our education system.
Wow.
Let’s say plants can suffer:
- Option 1: Torture and kill 4kcal worth of plant, then feed it to an animal. Torture and kill that animal. Calories produced: 1kcal. Suffering generated: 4kcal plants + 1kcal animal.
- Option 2: Torture and kill 1kcal of plant. Eat it. Calories produced: 1kcal. Suffering generated: 1kcal plant
Therefore: A vegan always produces less suffering than a vegetarian or omnivore.
And a fruitarian produces less suffering than a vegan , but why stop there?
Praise the lord
Cutting red tape, huh?
Freedom, baby. Live your best life.
Fucking idiots. Almost nobody is able to decipher the ingredients including E numbers, but people are confused by “burger”
this has nothing to do with people being confused, and everything with meat industry being worried about their profits
I know. Tönnies sei dank
This stinks of (rotten) meat lobby.
I hope the meat substitute industry comes up with some kind of ‘it’s not meat’ marketing campaign to counter this.
I hope the meat substitute industry comes up with some kind of ‘it’s not meat’ marketing campaign to counter this.
Well, honestly it would be fucking time they come out with some name that not mimic the meat products name.
It worked for oat milk. I’m buying “no milk” all the time 😅
NOT M!LK :)
A company here just calls everything Salmo’n, Chicke’n and so on, technically it isn’t the actual word.
That seems pretty scummy and misleading. I’m not a fan of the restrictive naming Iike in the article, but the name shouldn’t try to mislead either.
A burger is more about the form, same even for sausage, steak is more gray area, something like “veggie minced meat” or stuff with “meat” in the name is a no-no imo
Okay, I like it as I am looking for replacements for salmon or chicken. So if they start calling their burger burge’r to circument such rules I wouldn’t mind.
Finally EU is back innovating! Oh wait 🤦♂️
This is just stupid. Make it clear the product doesn’t have meat in it. It’s not that hard. Surely people can’t be confused by veggie burger vs burger?
Never underestimate what people can get confused about. People will also still buy veggie burgers expecting them to have meat, after they would be relabeled eventually.
It’s an excuse. A bullshit one. The real reason for this “problem” being addressed is that the meat industry is threatened, and lobbies hard to fight the plant based industry.
But they will lose, eventually.
I’d go a step further and require labeling meat as having come from an animal. So the source of food would have to precede the term, such as “cow burger”, “pig burger”. Can do the same for milk. Make all dairy farmers put “cow milk” rather than just “milk”. It’s way less confusing that way. Include a warning that the product contains lactose. Instead of a logo to signify vegetarian products, make one to signify animal products. Use the silhouette of a horse or something.
Yeah but imagine you want to buy some factory meat and realise at home that they didn’t even torture animals for the patty that you bought? The horror.
I mean imagine the confusion the other way around. Some scummy company was misleading you into thinking your buying a veggie patty but instead you bought a (meat) steak. Obviously nobody is happy about a product misleading them like that.
I’ve seen vegetarian minced meat type thing that had it like this
^^veggie minced meat ^^product
Seemed kinda silly, you’d think being a veggie thing would’ve been a value add selling point
Current labelling is correctly understood by 70% of sampled population according to the article. That’s lower than I would have expected.
You underestimate how stupid the average person is.
As clearly shown in this thread. Sooo many deeply stupid comments. The vast majority agreeing with this change, general anti-vegan idiocy, and trolls. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a comment section for something even remotely related to veganism without shitty and dumb people like that, it’s like they sit and scour the whole Internet with every minute of their time, ready to jump in and act like children who got their lollipop stolen. They’re pathetic people.
I went vegetarian two years ago and cannot for the life of me fathom how one cannot differentiate… That said, I’m from Sweden and products in other countries might be marketed differently so I wouldn’t be able to say, but still.
Only issue I often come across here in Sweden is that different companies use “veggie” differently. Some use it only for vegan products, others use it for vegetarian products and it’s not always clear which is which without reading the ingredients list. I’ve accidentally bought stuff with milk, cheese and eggs in them many times because it wasn’t clearly written anywhere and it’s easy to miss stuff when you’re at the store and reading the (often long) ingredient list of several things while in a hurry. It happens even more often with family and friends who aren’t vegan and buy stuff they usually don’t when they make food for you. In those cases I still eat the food, just point out the non-vegan ingredient(s) the product has and ask them to just look at the ingredients list when buying and/or even calling me so I can help them.
But allergens like milk and egg are highlighted in the ingredient list https://www.livsmedelsverket.se/foretagande-regler-kontroll/regler-for-livsmedelsforetag/information-markning-och-pastaenden/allergeninformation
Another shitty lobby demand made it to parliament just like that. Besides, protecting the label „burger“? Really? You know what I‘ll just call them sandwiches from now on. It doesn‘t matter how they vote on this. Fuck that.
It’s an odd one, because we’ve had veggie burgers for as long as I can remember.
Exactly. Veggie burgers are waaay older than any “plant based meat” products. Haloumi is at least 500 years old. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were haloumi burgers before the word burger existed. And I can’t imaging it took long after the word became used for meat sandwiches, someone also used it for a vegetarian variant.
Meanwhile Brussels city just scrapped the money to shelter homeless when it’s freezing
You can still call them burger. You just cannot sell them as burgers. So unless you sell vegan burgers for a living, this does not affect you whatsoever.
Nah fuck that. They‘re just sandwiches anyway. This might not affect me directly but it‘s still bullshit overregulation and should be boycotted because who is to tell where it will end? Next thing you know they prohibit gender speech as well. I hate everything about this.
Next thing you know they prohibit gender speech as well.
In some german states they already have prohibit gender speech in public institutions, including schools and universities.
I mean, it’ll be harder to search for “burger” on my supermarket’s website to find vegetarian alternatives to burgers. They’ll get more expensive because they have to relabel things. And my EP representatives have to waste their time on this instead of important issues.
A lot of companies sell vegan burgers, though.
If they have a line of burgers, some of which have meat in them and some don’t, what are they supposed to do? Keep two different brands separately, putting their fish, chicken and bovine burgers under one brand and others under another? Or just ditch the word “burger” altogether?
It does affect me to know that my tax money is used by these bunch of fucks to discuss bullshit like that.
My grandma died of anemia because she was unfed in her retirement home but these bunch of privilege motherfuckers have the time to discuss vegan burgers? Bitch please
There’s at least two more votes at different levels before this becomes regulation.
People don’t really understand how EU works
To be fair, the media usually does a real shit job of explaining it.
Burger? Is the bun made of meat too?
Fuck I wish it was
There was a burger in two chicken patties instead of bread being sold as a keto-friendly alternative at KFC
It’s only a burger if it comes from the municipality of Cheeseberg.
EU parliamentarians are so far up their ass, they can’t even see the big ass VEGAN logo that is on every vegan meat replacement product
So why not call it a vegan patty or something similar. This is ultimately a regional issue as every region will hold meaning of labels differently.
Often they’re specifically meat replacement products so being able to call it as closely the product they’re meant to be replacing as possible is useful for them. Tells the consumer what kind of product it is and so on. Though that same thing can lead consumers to expect a different product to what they’re getting.
What do you think we should call vegan sausage? And why is it a problem to call it vegan sausage?
Only beef should be burgers, chicken is sandwiches.
What if there’s no bread? Is it a still a sandwich? Same with the beef
Bread is irrelevant. The patty makes the burger.
Evidence: You can order a McDonald burger without buns.
I’m asking because of chicken then it’s a sandwich (what the person I’m replying to said). But sandwich has to have bread, unlike burger.
So either in missing something, or it makes no sense
Super dumb, very American english take. In Australia anything you put in a burger bun is a burger.
Beef burger ✅
Chicken burger ✅
Mushroom burger ✅
Halloumi burger ✅
Veggie burger ✅
Isn’t that a good thing? Pretty sure it is well understood ‘plant based meat’ is absolutely terrible branding, Like extremely bad like what in the genuine actual fuck did you think was going to happen. You should recognize imitation branding as harmful to the cause. Oh is an entire ass industry protecting itself from imitation? You really need to question what are you doing when authentic labeling on food is something you are against.
You must be extremely privileged if that’s the hill you want to die on lmao
Are you sure you are using that right? Did someone say this to you recently and now you are using it liberally while not fully grasping what justifies such a thing? Because sharing an opinion on lemmy is exact same privilege you have. Acting like you are entitled to imitate an entire industry instead of standing on your own feet…? I can see why someone said this to you recently.
“Imitate an entire industry” it says VEGAN on the package you dumb idiot.
It is called imitation meat you shit sausage
“Plant based meat” might not be the best name, but this means you can’t have a “vegetarian burger” on your menu in a restaurant any more.
You have 5 types of burger and then a “vegetarian sandwich in a round bun”. It is 100% stupid, and 200% a move by the meat lobby to suppress competition. They claim it is to make sure consumers are not confused but it will have completely the opposite effect.
“Steak” I can kind of understand but “Burger” and “sausage” are a way to prepare and present food and not about the actual meat content. Fuck everybody that voted for this with a kackwurst (shit-sausage) but that word is now also illegal unless you are shiting meat…
“”“200% a move by the meat lobby to suppress competition”“”
Buddy the decision to imitate meat was to suppress competition you are just choosing sides of one rich asshole over the other. You are not moral. You could be but you don’t seem to understand two wrongs don’t make a right.
Im not you buddy, dude.
How is making a new product to compete with an existing product in an existiert category supressing competition? That’s the definition of competition! And burger is a word that has been used for a long time to mean things that don’t include meat. Veggie burgers are not new. They are not even from this millennia.
Let us iterate on the point the point here. You want incorrect food labeling. I want correct food labeling. If the plant-pulp industry didn’t build itself on mimicry there would have been nothing the meat industry could have done about their naming. Fixing the world is far more complex than a basic concept extrapolated over entirety of society so how fucking anyone thought plant-pulp calling itself meat would fucking solve absolutely anything is beyond all reason. I buy shit because it calls itself plant pulp I don’t buy shit they says it is imitation meat. Meat is gross how is imitating it a good idea from the people trying to reduce its usage. If plant pulp advertised itself as complimentary to burgers and even skip the meat this can stand on it’s own there would be no problem, plant pulp would filter into everyones diets offsetting meat usage and for a lot of people an option to replace meat. That is not just hindsight plant pulp specifically positioned itself the way it did to appeal to a certain kind of person while having the opposite effect on another certain type of person. It is specifically divisive and in this world fuck that.
“Steak” I can kind of understand but “Burger” and “sausage” are a way to prepare and present food and not about the actual meat content. Fuck everybody that voted for this with a kackwurst (shit-sausage) but that word is now also illegal unless you are shiting meat…
“Burger” and “sausage” are now, for good or worse, synonymous of a certain things more than a way to prepare and present food.
What?
all the poor people getting swindled by the fake meat industry, so sad
So long as it’s clear that it an imitation… how is that harmful? There is no chance anyone is confused whether it’s meat or not, these products usually have a big sticker telling you it’s vegan as well. I’ve never seen a product that tried to hide that it’s not meat, they literally advertise with it.
What an absolute joke this decision is. The whole point is to provide an alternative to meat, this is so clearly lobbying to protect the holy meat industry.
The joke was imitation meat branding. Anyone could have anticipated the problems calling plant pulp meat instead of it’s own name like no one has a problem with Tofu and it is often used to replace meat. It was arrogance that ignored the foreseen consequences of imitation branding one of the globes biggest industries.
The justification seems to be ‘the meat industry will be right’ seemingly acknowledging wrongdoing.
