• HaunchesTV@feddit.ukEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Wait, I’m confused. So the guy that played a big part in dragging us into Brexit is also the guy that can save us from it? Or did I just get Poe’s lawed?

  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
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    5 months ago

    The UK’s reward was musky melon stirring shit up even more.

    Also, I’m not sure if MrMark shot himself in the foot in that last sentence.

  • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Imagine any European suggesting that states seceding from the union be rewarded and the rest punished. It would be so bizarre.

  • DeICEAmerica@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Oh look at the fake conversation going on here. X and Musk should be shut down and stripped of citizenship and deported.

    Or just start the trials now. Some are saying the vast majority of Americans want to see these people brought to justice. As harshly as allowed by US law.

  • Tuukka R@piefed.eeEnglish
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    5 months ago

    I also like the sentiment of merrily moving goalposts here!

    First you get a reward for leaving. After you have left, you are told you will get your reward is you choose a specific PM.

    Once the specified PM has been sworn in, they will then tell the next condition. And so on and so on.
    What an attractive offer!

    • Prior_Industry@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      After Farage it would be “Sell your NHS to us and give us access to sell our shitty food into your markets”

    • RunawayFixer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      I see 3 possible reasons:
      The continued existence of a free and democratic Europe could remind US citizens of what they once had and how much better they could be living, which makes the continued existence and success (fingers crossed) of the EU an existential threat to US conservatives.

      Or maybe Putin + Xi consider the battle for the spite and minds of US Americans won and so they’re now moving the focus of their troll armies + proxies to the EU. If all trolls suddenly get the same new talking points, that’s not organic, that’s a strategic shift mandated from the top.

      And the 3rd reason I can think of is the combination of the above, which I think is most likely. And if the authoritarians fail at making the eu fail, they’ll double down on displaying the eu countries as dystopian hellholes to convince their own population that they have it so much better.

      • Tuukka R@piefed.eeEnglish
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        5 months ago

        The continued existence of a free and democratic Europe could remind US citizens of what they once had and how much better they could be living, which makes the continued existence and success (fingers crossed) of the EU an existential threat to US conservatives.

        This is the main way how Ukraine has been a threat for the Russia at least since 2008. Back then, about 40 % of Ukrainins spoke Russian as their mother tongue, and they were suddenly living a comfortable life in a democracy. Putin lives off the Russian assumption that Russians cannot live in a democracy – that the “Russian soul” wants a strong leader so strongly that any attempt at democracy would be futile. And at the same time, he’s saying that all people whose mother tongue is Russian “are Russians”. So, when people who – according to his propaganda – are Russians, are able to lead a sensible and civilized life in a democratic country, it makes a lot of people who are actually Russians think that their country could maybe achieve the same as well.

        And yeah, the above is the most important reason why the Russia betrayed the nation that had come as close to considering the Russia a friend as is in any manner possible. It paints a grim future for the USA-EU relationship.

    • tuskyo@ttrpg.networkEnglish
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      5 months ago

      The EU hasn’t been compromised like the US federal government and at least, to some extent, still looks out for the interests of its citizens.

      Conservatives and neoliberals only care about making rich people richer.

    • Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Because the EU has resisted the ultra-rich and the corporations in many ways recently (imposing rules, fining bad behavior) and the ultra rich just want to bully the world according to their whims which leads directly to the new attitudes in their party? Or could be the fact that russia also desperately wants the EU to be dead.

      The republican party only serves the mega-rich and russian interests, so most of their actions can be explained by who gains from them, either mega-rich or russia.

    • sbrodolino21@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      It’s not conservatives, all actual conservatives understand now more than ever how needed the EU is. This is a coordinated attack on liberal democracy and the rule based world order coming from actors whose n.1 foreign policy objective is destroying them. Russia, China and Trump all have the same goal and that’s undoing liberal democracy, or at the least rendering all liberal democracies useless.

  • D_C@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Putin’s strategy to weaken the usa via the orange child rapist:
    Step 1. Alienate Canada.
    Step 2. Alienate Europe.
    Step 3. Who gives a fuck? Let them idolise the orange kiddie fiddling fascist and then fuck off for the rest of history.
    Step 4. Nope, just fuck off. Come back when you’re not interested in protecting and enabling obvious paedos with your protest votes.