• deHaga@feddit.uk
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    2 days ago

    The EU was created in 1993. There were no wars in Europe since ww2 until then. Draw your own conclusions

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      1 day ago

      You have got to be taking the piss

      • 1946: Greek civil war
      • 1956: Hungarian revolution
      • 1974: Turkish invasion of Cyprus
      • 1989: Romanian revolution
      • 1990: Transnistria War
      • 1991: Yugoslav Wars

      This does not even include the many smaller-scale rebellions or anything that happened in the Caucasus

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        1 day ago

        None of those are wars. Bosnia is the first international conflict (war) on European soil since 1945.

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          15 hours ago

          A) Civil wars are wars by definition.

          B) Some of these conflicts were international. EG the 1956 Hungarian Uprising pitched Soviet-Russian forces against Hungarians.

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            15 hours ago

            Yeah, I’m talking major war. Not a civil war. It’s really not a big deal.

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              14 hours ago

              Some of the deadliest wars in history were civil wars. The Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864) is up there with WW2.

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          The hell is your definition of a war that excludes all of those? The Hungarian revolution, Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and Transnistria war were all international conflicts as well

          I will also note that the Bosnian war is both part of the Yugoslav wars that I mentioned and also kicked off before the Treaty of Maastricht

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            Er, the previous definition sets the current one?

            Conflict is not war. War is international conflict, not two sets of dickheads doing the same thing they’ve been doing for millennia.

            Here’s a hint. How many countries were involved in Bosnia and when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?

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              Okay so if we take your definition in which a civil war isn’t a war: when the Soviet Union rolled tens of thousands of troops with tanks into Hungary, or when Turkey invaded Cyprus and made a new country out of a third of it, or when Russia put 14,000 troops in Moldova and made a new country out of the bit north of the Dniester, what exactly made those not international in your view?

              How many countries were involved in Bosnia

              At least three depending on what you count as a country. Again, given that it started before the EU existed, why are you saying that no wars happened between the end of WWII and the creation of the EU?

              when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?

              1. What does that have to do with anything?
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                  20 hours ago

                  …okay? How is that relevant to your claim of there being no wars in Europe from 1945 to 1993?

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                    Bosnia was the only one to involve international involvement. I’m not sure how I can explain it more simply.

                    It was one of the largest international interventions of the late 20th century.

                    United Nations (UNPROFOR): The UN Protection Force involved troops from over 40 countries, including the United Kingdom, France, Canada, Pakistan, and the Netherlands.

                    NATO: Marking its first-ever combat operations, NATO intervened via Operation Deliberate Force in 1995. Key contributors included the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Spain.

                    Contact Group: A diplomatic body formed to facilitate peace, consisting of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, and Russia.

                    Foreign Volunteers: Thousands of volunteers joined various sides, including “mujahideen” from various Middle Eastern and North African countries supporting the Bosniaks, and Greek and Russian volunteers supporting the Bosnian Serbs.