This poetgirl on Instagram says some off the wall shit.
Some of these old bitches have totally lost their mind and just spread misinformation.
This is more than mildly infuriating for me but I wasn’t quite sure where else to post this lol.
There’s no hate like christian love
It is really sad since not all Christians are like that
The ones that aren’t didn’t do much to stop the ones that are from taking over. You’d think they’d care more about the blasphemous hatred they spew. It makes all Christians look bad.
You also can fuck right off. Didn’t do much my ass
Considering the evangelicals hold all the political power, they apparently didn’t. If they did try to fight them, they did a terrible job.
Lol. That’s funny. Do it again
What would you like me to do? I don’t support the evangelicals.
There’s not much of anything you can do an an individual other than publicly denounce them. This is something church leaders should have nipped in the bud a long time ago.
What does stopping American Christofascists from reconstructing the US government into a baldly authoritarian cesspit look like for normal, moderate Christians? And how does it differ from what theists of other religions and atheists could do to stop the same thing (reconstruction of the US government)?
Every 2000 years or so, religion goes to war with itself. Big war.
In the years between, it’s basically disputes over what to call the omnipotent being or which shoe to worship.
If the ones that aren’t like that gave a fuck they would do literally anything to stop the ones that are. But because that would hurt their precious religion they just ignore it instead.
As far as I’m concerned they are all dog shit people. Willingly turning a blind eye to hate from your own is no better than spewing it yourself.
Yeah, we often see the entire non-terrorist Muslim population being held responsible for not doing enough to condemn terrorism, but Christians are let off the hook for the atrocities of their fundamentalists.
“Your inaction is your admission of guilt”.
I assure you the ones that arent like that do give a fuck and do what they can with what ability they can when able. A lot of them go non denominational and some are fighting other battles elsewhere.
What would you have me do?
I can’t control other people
Oh, fuck off with that bullshit. I don’t even have a desire to describe why and how exactly this way of thinking is crap
If you want to change their minds, you have to do it with promises & lies.
In the meantime, the pope will continue to shit in the woods.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was murdered by the SS because he didn’t stand idle as his country went full Nazi. He helped with multiple plots to assassinate Hitler, smuggled vulnerable people out of Germany and founded a church that rejected nazification that was later deemed illegal by the Nazis. The guy was a pastor. Do you honestly think he was dogshit for not doing enough?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/8173-catholic-church-helped-eichmann-escape
I think the Catholic Church as an institution has abused the trust of a great many wonderful people who have made a relatively understandable mistake, in the sense that everyone is a product of their environment, in supporting its continued existence.
Not all that segregate are doomed to hate. Just most.
Thanks for not telling us “we are going to hell”, we’re already here.
tell me you’ve never been to arlington national cemetary without telling me you’ve never been to arlington national cemetary
Ha true.
But also I’ve never been and I fought in the early 2000s. I just lost too many buds and could never bring myself to go there. But family went and took pics and parents if my buddies sent me funeral DVDs that I still can’t bring myself to watch.
Spoken like a true dipshit. Does this person think the us military is 100% Christian?? We’re doomed man. We lost 100 years of progress in the blink of an eye
Ya I’m not Christian and I fought along side other non Christians in the early 2000s. This account really spreads a lot of misinformation. And the thing is, if you dig deeper you’ll find that I think she is a teacher in Texas. I won’t go further than that. I was just doing some OSINT work for a PI buddy and just stumbled across this so I looked at it for a minute. I know there are so many people that push fake info but I just kinda hung here for a moment and then moved on.
Texas teacher eh? Well that tells you everything
Not surprised. The bar for entry to become a teacher in Texas is substantially lower than many other states.
All social media is overrun by troll factories with the purpose of sowing discord. I just assume all such accounts are “bots” (although often human-run).
(Yes, some try to sign up also to Mastodon et.al. - but are usually spotted)
I think that just leads to people falsely believing that there aren’t a metric fuckton of people that actually do believe these things.
Unfortunately this country is filled to the brim with people who think like poetgirl53
That is the true.
But in this case this is an actual person.
Lots of folks in the US don’t really have an understanding of religion as a separate thing from nationality.
They think of “being Christian” as “being like the other white people in my neighborhood growing up”. End of thought.
So drinking beer, watching football, and hating taxes are all “Christian things” to them.
So when they say “Christians — and only Christians — died for this country”, they’re 100% correct, according to their understanding of “being a Christian”. Cuz to them it basically just means “being an American”.
There’s really no way to convince them otherwise. It’s like telling someone that Velcro is really called “hook and loop”.
Except Frenchmen and Africans also fought and died for this country.
You’re basically saying: Christians don’t read the bible, they just act like their peers and all the bad habits that can go with that.
wellllllll…
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“not good, not bad”
What if it isn’t rage bait but a simple slice of the prevailing idiots point of view who think the US was founded a christian country?
Did someone forgot to ask whose land they took from
The pirates?
My mom once asked if my Jewish girlfriend celebrated Thanksgiving. When I scoffed, she reminded me that there weren’t any Jews on the Mayflower.
I reminded her that there weren’t any Catholics either.
In fairness, Thanksgiving wasn’t made a national holiday until 1863. By then, the US had plenty of Catholics, in no small part thanks to the Irish Potato Famine of the prior two decades.
It also had plenty of Jews, thanks to the Napoleonic Wars and the then-recent string of wars along the border of the Ottoman Empire.
Hell, it might be worth pointing out that the Mayflower was the product of the 30 Years War (of which the Hell on Earth podcast miniseries does a really excellent job of documenting), which also produced a sizable exodus of Catholics and Jews to the New World. So, it seems they’ve got as much of an excuse to celebrate 17th century Settlers Colonialism as anybody.
Nice. You gave her the burrrnn. Good job. We need to really start correcting much of this type of misinformation out there when people say it one day many many more will believe it.
It’s a fight against windmills. There’s a certain type of person who’s just totally resistant against learning new stuff. They got their opinion and that’s truth and screw everything else.
You might correct one thing, but by the time you did that they already dug up three new pieces of garbage.
It’s so frustrating.
she once refused to back down on the fact that Jupiter doesn’t have a solid surface. Best I got was “I don’t know about that.”
You might correct one thing, but by the time you did that they already dug up three new pieces of garbage.
“If Muslims don’t like it, they should return to their native countries!” I cry, as I rubber stamp another billion dollar check to bomb the Levant.
The Ten Commandments are in the Quran as well I would guess.
Muricaaaa!
Whatever, the whole point is the religion shouldn’t be in schools in the first place. Get it out.
As Jewish person my school literally had propoganda posters on the wall explicitly justifying genocide and blaming Palestinians for their own deaths
and you tore them down…
I wish, I would have gotten expelled. It doesn’t matter now anyway since I already graduated.
You could have gotten expelled? What the fuck?
Yeah, fascists don’t like it when you tear down your propoganda posters. I have since made a promise to myself to never allow fascists to hold that much power over me again.
she’s not wrong though. as a christian in the middle east, you have mosques kicking off every morning, Islam is noticeable in everyday life everywhere (to the extent that I feel that you have a substantially higher religious freedom in Europe as a muslim), and if you do something that is socially (and therefore religiously - as there’s a nonexistent division between church, states and culture here) risque, you can also gtfo. so what?
you have mosques kicking off every morning,
Have you ever been to Southern and Central Europe? Churches ringing their bells every day. Villages being mostly dark at night, with the church being shined on with a dozen spotlights. Religious festivities including parades around holidays. Priests and Nuns casually walking in the streets.
Islam is noticeable in everyday life everywhere (to the extent that I feel that you have a substantially higher religious freedom in Europe as a muslim),
As you can see with the statement above, the fact that religion is “noticeable in everyday life everywhere” has nothing to do with religious freedom.
and if you do something that is socially (and therefore religiously - as there’s a nonexistent division between church, states and culture here) risque, you can also gtfo. so what?
Islam is quite accommodating and tolerant to other religions. Religious minorities enjoy protection and are allowed to practice their ways even when it contradicts Islamic law, such as Christian being permitted alcohol. What we have seen over the last century is the result of deliberate meddling by outside imperial forces that promoted wahabism and other extremist strands twisting Islam into being a tool of oppression and riddling it with hypocrisy.
Also we see how religious minorities are instrumentalized to start divisions and civil wars in places like Syria and Lebanon. Areas where Christians and Jews have lived for Millennia and built vibrant communities, with religious tensions being the rare exception. Or looking at Iberian Peninsula, where the Jewish community fared well for centuries under Islamic governance, until the Christian conquerors slaughtered them and forced them into conversion and hiding like the Muslims.
Finally the western nation state model is incompatible with Islamic governance, but again was imposed upon Muslim majority countries.
So accommodating and tolerant. Many countries have the death penalty for apostates, in others it might be technically legal but you would still face harassment from police and general institutions. Isn’t this wonderful?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country
Classic overcorrection I have seen many times: western countries have mostly a Christianity problem, and to counter the bigotry, racism and intolerance, progressive people take the defense of other barbaric, intolerant and bigot religions.
This is especially frustrating when it comes from a leftist perspective. Religion is a form of institutionalized control and oppression, and as such is a fundamental enemy of the working class.
As i have written:
What we have seen over the last century is the result of deliberate meddling by outside imperial forces that promoted wahabism and other extremist strands twisting Islam into being a tool of oppression and riddling it with hypocrisy.
To your statement:
Religion is a form of institutionalized control and oppression, and as such is a fundamental enemy of the working class.
A common argument is that Jesus would be a socialist by todays definitions, condemning the corruption of the rich and sitting with the poor. The prophet Mohamed, blessing and peace be upon him, was persecuted by the polytheists because Islam was challenging their business model surrounding the idol worship and they tried to coopt him into furthering their economic agenda. Moses was liberating his entire people from enslavement under the Pharaoh. The Abrahamic prophets all fought injustice and corruption in their society.
I agree with you that the institutionalization is an issue, but that is an issue of the particular institutions, not the religion itself.
Derubricating everything to the “external” imperial forces is dismissive and forgets centuries of violent history, including those of Muslim empires. Islam, like most religions is bigoted, intolerant and barbaric.
A common argument is that Jesus would be a socialist by todays definitions
And that’s nonsense.
I agree with you that the institutionalization is an issue, but that is an issue of the particular institutions, not the religion itself.
No, I think it’s actually religion and religious thinking specifically the problem. Institutionalized religion is just the natural consequence of the issue.
Religion is fundamentally a reactionary ideology because it prescribes an external entity (or entities) which decided how things should be. This deresponsibilizes people and inherently justifies the existing. All the religious emancipation still happens under the umbrella of a reality that has to work in a certain way.
For example, most religions tend to accept suffering and poverty as a given, as a test or as something that in general is by design. Assigning virtue to being oppressed (like in case of some Christian messages) is far from a revolutionary stance, it’s a tool aimed at controlling those who are oppressed.
If in millennia every religion ever has been used to crystalize a power hierarchy in humanity (from the clergy to caste systems), maybe there is a reason. And the reason is that religious thinking and mindset inherently enables these hierarchies.
For example, most religions tend to accept suffering and poverty as a given, as a test or as something that in general is by design. Assigning virtue to being oppressed …
Islam acknowledges poverty and wealth to be given in the sense that it is not by the virtue or failing of the individual that he or she is rich/poor. This is contradicting the neoliberal mantra, that it is totally the individuals fault and thereby justified.
Furthermore it is the duty of the rich to help the poor and it is the right of the poor upon the rich to be helped by them.This is why mandatory donations for the wealthy are an obligation equal to prayer and fasting.
God tests people with poverty and with wealth. Also Islam with its prohibition of interest is incompatibile with capitalism. Christianity and Judaism also prohibit interest, but a millenia long effort to twist the prohibition away eventually suceeded.
If in millennia every religion ever has been used to crystalize a power hierarchy in humanity (from the clergy to caste systems), maybe there is a reason. And the reason is that religious thinking and mindset inherently enables these hierarchies.
Again you are describing institutionalization. On the contrary if someone is steadfast in their belief, they will obey God and not the worldly leaders, if those demand something in violation of the faith. This also creates a measure for the legitimacy of leaders that cannot be set by the leaders themselves. So what the historical and current leaders are doing is to try to corrupt existing religious institutions or build institutions so they can be corrupted. The hierarchy is inserted into the religiom by existing hierachies.
To further argue that point. What became of Soviet Russia? Maos China? Eastern Germany? All the other Warsaw pact countries? All of them were hostile to religion on a range from surveillance and coercion to death squads murdering clergy by the tens of thousands and razing places of worship down to the foundations.
Authoritarianism finds any tool to impose unjust hierarchies. And it creates its own idols to worship. Be it the market, the great chairman, the 5 year plan, the supreme race, the expanding imperium…
All these idols share one crucial aspect. They are geared towards material aspects in this world. And this is a great weakness of communist revolutionary thought. It chains itself to compete with the capitalists in the struggle for capital accumulation and distribution. Thereby communist thought is enslaving the working class to remain producers and consumers.
This is contradicting the neoliberal mantra, that it is totally the individuals fault and thereby justified.
Sorta. But anyway, neoliberalism is far from the only oppressive ideology.
Also Islam with its prohibition of interest is incompatibile with capitalism
I really don’t think so. Interests are not really a foundational pillar of capitalism. Private property of means of production is.
obey God
And did god (or gods) speak to them? Or there is always a translation layer that includes other people; prophets, messiahs, clergy, shamans, visionaries, etc.? Still a hierarchy. Still a means of control. Who decides what the gods say controls people. That’s exactly the problem with religion.
About the soviet union and other antireligious countries: there are multiple ideologies that can lead to oppression. I am definitely not going to say that without religion oppression wouldn’t exist. I am saying that religion is an enabler for it.
Islam is quite accommodating and tolerant to other religions
‘quite’ is the word
But indeed in the reality it doesn’t go well. Too many interpretations of the same book (https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2002.02.0003%3Asura%3D10%3Averse%3D99)
Not sure anyone here will argue middle eastern societies are utopias we should strive to emulate. Let’s look at what can be improved, not what could be worse.
God, fucking Christians. We need a slur for them or something so badly. I’m so sick of them.
We always called them bible thumpers
Comedian James Acaster offers “crizzos” in one special. That’s got some zip to it.
Replace christian with muslim and this becomes a far right comment
In Italy, in our Humanist association we used “credini” for all religious people.
“Cretini” means “idiots” (originally “affected by cretinism”, the developmental syndrome caused by iodine deficit during pregnancy).
“Credere” is the verb meaning “to believe”.
So it could be read as “believing idiots”.
Always loved it and have been trying to replicate it somehow in English ever since.
I love it. I might turn it over in my head for a minute
Evangelicals
I prefer the term “Christian” (as a slur)
I like saying “CHRIST-ee-en”. It really pisses them off although it obviously shouldn’t.
I started trying it out, it doesnt have the same zip as like, cross licker or whatever
The crucifix is an implement of torture and execution, upon which the titular Christian god was executed to fulfill a blood oath. Executionists, torturers, blood magicians, nailers, death cultists, the forsaken (Psalm 22)…
Being shephered by a higher authority is also a common theme. Sheep is right there, although some actually use that directly.
Another common theme is the second arrival of their god, starting the end of the mortal realm and the death of all mortals. Death cultists again, apocalyptics, doomsdayers…
There’s lots of heinous things in their book, but most reject them or are unaware. You could call out lots of things there.
I refer to them as Fundies (i.e., Fundamentalists). That seems to cover all the obnoxious christians.
4chan had a term; Christfag.
If you take out the offence to the gay community, it’s actually a brutal phrase. It conjures up connotations of being literally gay for Jesus (which is really offensive to them).
Note: I’m not condoning the phrase, it’s obviously not something people should be saying.
I’m aware of the term Christfag. I was there, Gandalf. 4chan also had an incredibly abrasive board culture as a means of social filtering, so {append}fag was their way of referring to someone who had identified as some way, or else for someone to refer to themselves as that thing, usually because they were trying to tell everyone they had unique perspective on what was being discussed. It got to the point where I saw a person open their post identifying as a “Gayfag.”
I don’t like using the term for this because its punching down at an actually oppressed minority who would be caught in the crossfire.
