My wife has asked me not to turn the house into a tech junkyard.
My problem is that because of Linux I can almost never throw away an old computer. I’ve got a bloody netbook around here somewhere running Lubuntu.
I had to accept a few years back that my venerable eeePC 1000 netbook with it’s single core (2 threads!) Atom CPU is just not useful any longer, even with the most lightweight distro.
I’ll never let that particular machine go though, because it means a lot to me. I bought it with my first paycheck from my first job after university, and the year after (as the only portable machine I owned) it saw me through a whole year working abroad. Managed everything from Skype calls with my parents to browsing the Internet and watching YouTube, and that was running Windows!
Trying to do something with it now is just a reminder of how outrageously bloated and resource-heavy modern apps have become, especially those that are just electron web wrappers. And the web itself is exponentially more demanding to render.
It’s not your fault little eee, you’re just the same as ever. It’s the world that changed.
I suppose I could use it as an IRC terminal or something, that would be pretty hipster. But I’d just be wasting electricity.
That brings back memories. I had an eeePC back in the day also! A fine little portable machine in it’s time. But yes, time passed it by. I’ve got 2 old 16" laptops sitting on a shelf that no longer power on at all. And 2 old Chrome books that still light up. I should really do something with those I suppose.
My current fascination is mini desktops. I have an N100 mini with 8gigs of shared memory. It came with Win10 on it but that only lasted until I wiped it and did a bit distro surfing before settling on Fedora 41 Cinnamon. As a student/lite office machine that only cost me $90US from amazon, (I had an unused HDMI monitor), it’s amazingly sturdy to use. I want a bit better one now…
I started my Linux journey as a poor high school college student and while I got hand-me-down windows machines at home, I worried about breaking them fiddling with things beyond my knowledge level. A budget basement eeePC became my workbench and I started tinkering. I had to drive to the next city to find one in stock. Today the gas would cost more than the computer. :-D
I’d still be running the eee but it got put in the closet when many distros dropped 32 bit support.
Could set it up as a fileserver
They are bloody spectacular for programming arduino or flashing your 3D printer.
There’s about to be a lot more surplus hardware since Microsoft arbitrarily decided they can’t update to Windows 11.
And real good specs on most those machines, most will be at least DDR4 some even DDR5
Everything I have with DDR5 is running Win11. I have some DDR3 machines on Win10 tho. And of course DDR4. Just in my house I have three pretty decent DDR4 gaming rigs with compatible CPUs, SSDs, and nice video cards 3070ti and 4070ti, but the motherboard isn’t up to spec. I don’t like Win11 anyway though. I’ll have to figure those out soon I guess.
My mom’s laptop self “upgraded” to win 11 a while back and she hates it and has been having issues nonstop. And since she refuses to pay a monthly subscription for office I set her up with Libre office. She’s been resistant to Linux but as I slowly add more FOSS apps she’s coming around. She’s now willing to try a Linux Mint live USB.
I’m going to be on the lookout for one of these perfectly good laptops and throw Mint on it for her so she can keep her windows laptop until she’s ready to fully make the switch.
According to a lot of Lemmy users, this is impossible. Linux never works and windows is solid as fuck. Never fails to work perfectly. Lol
Someone told me on my previous instance, before it shut down, that no one actually used Linux, that everyone even me was just lying about using Linux.
if you want a LOT of them, govdeals.com is a way to go. You might hate me for showing you that place. Its how I ended up with a great generator for my house as well as too many servers.
We need to do a group buy. I don’t want 62 laptops, but there might be 61 other people that want one more laptop…
I remember that site, looked into it a few years ago when I was buying in bulk to resale stuff on eBay. Thanks for the tip, but I’m really just looking for one laptop.
This is what gave me the idea. I started watching videos of people doing this with recycled hardware, and it looks so fun.
Buy e-waste? I have people give it to me for free. Offer to recycle it for them.
The classic
offers to recycle
actually installs esoteric Linux distros
Classic!
I have a laptop that I use regularly that I actually found at the recycle center when I dropped off some bottles. It is running Linux of course.
Yeah this is basically what I do. People like giving me their stuff because I’m transparent about the deal:
- If at all possible, I will wipe it for you.
- If it’s usable, I will either add it to my TrashCloud™ or (especially for laptops) set it up for a kid.
- Parts/devices that I cannot get working I will take to electronics recycling.
- No iPhones/iPads.
Big thumbs up from me on the no iPhone/iPad policy.
That crap is ewaste as soon as Apple inc, decides it’s not worth supporting anymore with no option to load a different OS on it. Arguably, it’s ewaste before that, but I digress.
It just sucks that the hardware is made specifically to be incapable of running anything but the OS or was built for, which is entirely controlled by a profit-driven company by way of closed source software.
Say all the bad things you want about them (I certainly do), but it’s hard to say that their hardware isn’t good. It’s just sabotaged at the factory by their firmware and OS, condemning it to a mediocre and finite existence.
It’s shocking how much corpos just ruin perfectly good electronics by making it busted from the factory
I love Lemmy.
I was wondering whether I was going to have to explain that rule to a crowd of angry zealots, furious that I could possibly oppose the Great and Mighty Apple like that.
I’m not opposed to having macs in my collection (though as it so happens right now I don’t have any), because it’s not about hating Apple and entirely about whether I can do something useful with the hardware.
A majority of the ARM hardware I have is old Android phones booting a pretty standard Linux distro with custom kernels. Most of them have drivers missing for various pieces of hardware, but as long as they can boot, connect to my homelab network over USB and run containers, they make excellent build/test devices.
Those images are in the wrong direction.
What if I like being the clown?
Windows: creates e-waste
Linux: undoes e-waste
Windows: creates e-waste
Linux: collects e-waste under the stairs “just in case it’s useful”
All the computers living under the stairs are running some server function. 🤷♂️
They’re heating the room too so technically it’s a radiator with network attached storage!
SmArt RAdiAToR!!
That was literally a hostname I gave one box I had in my life
We’ve been having short power cuts lately (rural area, windy!) and now it’s starting to look like my Dell Optiplex sMaRt RaDiAtOr 50w homelab/studio/shed heater could do with a UPS to protect against data loss! Though it does have btrfs raid1 which is pretty handy for a
radiatorRAID1ator!
I started at the bottom with ewaste, it is truly amazing what companies will just throw away because they don’t want to deal with it.
I am really looking forward to picking up some cheap used mini PCs here in a few months after the market gets flooded from corporates disposing of their old hardware because of the Windows 10 end of life. Consumers have already started ditching them now, but it takes a minute for enterprise to get it to a disposal company who then gets to pawn it off on the used market and that’s the good stuff.
Your average company is woefully prepared to deal with ewaste. If you sell it, there are legal and financial ramifications. Assuming you could make at most a couple hundred on a box, the labor to take it someplace, deal with finance, deal with legal, deal with returns for anything that goes doa in the move. The best you can do is sell or give it to a wholesaler who will give you near nothing for it to shoulder the risk.
Whenever possible, I release old hardware to end users. Refresh it, let them give it to their kids/family/whatever.
Yes! Gotta figure out the new models, hopefully it will be some good times. I just love being 5 years after, at a fraction of the price.
A combination of warranty expiry, the tenancy to replace instead of repair/upgrade, Windows 10 being the go to, even after W11 launched, and the W10 end of life, all combine into a neat pile of ewaste from enterprises that’s flooding the market.
It’s a great time for those of us that use enterprise company discards as computers.
If you can believe it, there are some people who will straight up give you their e-waste, as if it’s trash or something!
Yeah. I have like 5 collecting dust. Should give them away (not us) but I’m pretending that I’ll set up a fake cloud service to try terraform (open stack maybe?)
I have 3 old cellphones that for the life of me, no matter how hard I tried - couldn’t install an alt android OS on it
One device was compatible - but I couldn’t unlock the boot loader
One device was never tested against any alt OSes
One device was carrier locked.
I also have one old Galaxy Tab that I spent weeks trying to flash another ROM to it - and it fails every time.
I’m 0/4 on trying to reanimate old android hardware - it’s just too difficult and too much hoops to go through.
At least I’m fairly capable with installing Linux on old laptops - and given that a new wave of Win11 compatible laptops is coming - I’ll get to do it more frequently soon.
I haven’t tried to do LUKS yet, and I’m dying to get my hands on a Yubikey and learn what I can make it do.
Mobile device flashing is a fucking alien world. Samsung products are not good for it, especially in the US.
The alt OS’s are mainly built against ancient hardware, and the SKUs that work are so limited that they’re not particularly cheap on the used market.
The best thing you can do is go fairphone or pixel and specifically get one of the models that is directly claimed as supported.
If you can’t get it to work, find the OS forums and hop in, someone will bend over backward to help you out if you’re nice about it.
Where does one find old tech on the cheap?
Make friends with some PC repair people. Depending on where you live, a LOT of Win10 stuff is getting thrown out right now. If you present yourself as an alternative to recycling/scrapping, you might get a good deal.
When I first started learning PCs and Linux, I just went to the local thrift stores and Value Village. Even today people turn in all kinds of perfectly working compute hardware, mostly just old. Consumer stuff doesn’t retain much resale value and many cannot be bothered with trying to sell it, so it ends up in the dump, at the recyclers, in thrift stores, or on classified ads like Craig’s list, kijiji and the like.
EBay usually only sees the stuff that can fetch a worthwhile dollar.
I bought two old Thinkpads on eBay for $20 each. They run Debian + i3 great and have become my daily portable drivers.
Edit: a new battery and ssd did bring the total up to $100 for the pair.
My local dump has an e-waste section. Corps straight up drop off 6x6x6 ft. tall cage totes full old laptops and desktops. Then the grandma bins full of VHS players and stuff.
There’s signs saying you can’t take anything, but nobody actually cares or stops you lol. As long as you’re not causing trouble or making a mess digging deep into them.
Check how nearby colleges and universities dispose of used assets. The state school near me maintains a very nice website where they auction off everything from lab equipment to office furniture. It’s also where all their PCs go when they hit ~5 years old and come up in the IT department’s refresh cycle. Only problem in my case is that they tend to auction stuff in bulk. You can get a solid machine for $50 to $100, but only if you’re willing to pay $500 to $1000 for a pallet of 10.
II feel personally attacked IT WAS $5
OK
Freebsd is very different from linux, ive spent a few hours trying to get gpu drivers working for this crusty CPU.
Old hardware has a special place in my heart, aswell as my shelf >:)
It has a fingerprint sensor?
Yes, i haven’t used it but its quite the oddity
I run a Windows 7 laptop and bought a PC at Value Village and maxed out the RAM thanks to Aliexpress. Junk FTW!!
Getting visibly annoyed whe you find out you can’t easily run mainline linux on some proprietary piece of hardware like a phone or smart TV.
But hey at least my robot vacuum runs on Ubuntu by default lol.
And Taco Bell drive thru, apparently
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Trader Joe’s registers run Suse.
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Fuck it, we ball
My vacuum proudly runs Valetudo!
Haha same! FIrst thing I did was make a soundpack and install oucher so it makes funny voicelines when it bumps into objects lol.
That. Is fucking. Amazing.
This might be the single reason I buy vacuums of this brand on the future.
Only works for Roborock, right? Would love that for my bot, but it’s a Dreame.
Wait really?
Yeah on Roborock at least, dunno if they changed distros for newer robots though.
Oh wow and it comes with Matter support for local server use!!!
My 1 dollar vacuum I got at a thrift store is still chugging somehow.
Does anyone have a few optiplexes lying around?
Dude I have my childhood desktop running a jellyfin server, I’d kill for an optiplex
“What do you mean, ‘Why do I need that stack of old ThinkPads?’. They were free!”
Who needs virtual machines when I can just use a separate device for every distro I want to try?
I had 11 OSes on a single laptop once, including a vestigial Vista partition that was barely hanging on
Also: Openwrt is a kind of Linux. That can be useful sometimes, when I need 10 custom wifi routers…
Very true. Also, redundancy
Why would I need an enterprise router if I can have a superfast, very extendable, very flexible and redundant router with two old desktop machines?
Power efficiency.
that’s like stage 7-8, after an extremely high electric bill. Also about that time you consider moving to a colder climate so the electronics can just heat your house.
I kinda love it in winter mornings when I’m a bit chilly and then I kick off a big compile or play something and there is this lovely warmth flowing from my main desktop and then I make a big cup of chai.
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I’d like to know where can i put my hand on a stack of free Thinkpads.
You’d be a fool to leave them!
Where are you all getting free thinkpads from?
Make friends with your local IT guys. Thinkpads are less common these days, because they’re “Chinese”, so it is more common to find dells (which usually are worse in my experience).
Unrelated, but I just took apart my old IBM thinkpad from 2003/2004 to clean it up and get all nice and pretty for it’s last few years of updates. I also did my newer-ish HP laptop from 2016 at the same time.
The thinkpad was just beautifully laid out, with thought put into the placement of vents, heat sinks, heat generating components, alternative air pathways if the entire bottom was blocked, easy maintenance of components, etc.
The HP was …not. The weakest ass heat sink I’ve ever seen, miles away from the processor (no wonder it sounded like a wind tunnel when playing a youtube video). One intake vent where your thigh would be if in your lap and the exhaust right where your knee would be. Extra bonus was the placement of the CPU (running usually 80c+) is right above your junk, the vent being offset from the processor a smidge.
Granted I’m comparing enterprise vs consumer laptop in the days when there was a massive difference in quality between the two, but damn, this experience has me decided (again) that internal layout and design is just as important as specs, even more so if you need more powerful components.
I mean if they’re free you can always sell them for cheap and feel good about making some money while reducing e-waste
Usually it’s more a give away after installing mint on them, but it’s better than genuinely just tossing them for stuff newer than 7-8th gen intel.
And just think how quickly you can get them all up and running with NixOS! All those endless hours of learning finally put to good use!
Beats contributing to the documentation/wiki. /s
Who needs documentation? The code is self-documenting! The entire thing’s on GitHub, just check the issues to figure out what’s going on! Didn’t work? Sorry, the thing got broke a few months ago. Just go through the commit history and I’m sure you’ll be up and running in no time!
I’ve also made a module that fixes your specific issue and uploaded it to my self hosted gitlab instance. The server is down right now? Well, isn’t that better? Now you can make the thing yourself! Remember to upload your thing to your GitHub, name it something like “nixos” and never mention it anywhere.
Just put my custom flake into your inputs! No, I won’t give ydu an example on how to integrate it into your config. The Flakes schema is an incredibly easy concept to grasp, after all. /s
You can vibe code your config so now you have no excuse
Well, if you can’t figure out how to integrate the flake in 30 seconds by month 6, you clearly have a skill issue. Or a “sleeping at night instead of writing nix” issue. Better use a noob-friendly distro like arch.
Seriously though, despite all the flaws, there is no other packaging system where I can as painlessly use random forks of packages. I absolutely love how I’m able to run gnome-mobile on my x64 tablet. True to the NixOS way, I found the overlay on someone’s GitHub, there were only the files, no further instructions.
I also have a USB with live debian at all times, because you never know when you stumble upon a thing that just can’t work with NixOS
I really dig it as well, but hoo boy: the documentation still is… incredibly rough.
I’ve spent several evenings now trying to set up the development environment for a python package with additional binary file requirements (model weights) that I want to be included in the package.
It kinda works now with pyproject-nix, but I can’t manage to get an editable devshell running. And now it needs to unpack the requs everytime. 🙄
What do you mean the entire thing broke a few months ago? It broke only weeks ago, NixOS has the freshest breakages in the linux ecosystem
Who cares if it breaks? You can always just boot a previous generation! Need to rebuild without the breakage? You surely must now how to add a package from an earlier commit via flakes by now, right?
I have a literal suitcase full if 4TB SAS drives. Because they were free and pretty much unused.
Fun fact: A pelicase of 37 3.5" drives is the max weight you’re allowed in a single checked piece with common airlines. I had to give three drives to the check in clerk.
Seed some of Anna’s archive’s torrents. You can help preserve all of humanity’s knowledge with those
After all, why not? Why shouldn’t I build a Beowulf of my own?
I first heard this term the other day, but it was in the context of “nobody does this anymore”. I looked it up and it sounds cool… is there any reason I shouldn’t consider it in 2025?
I looked into it a while ago but I gave up on the idea after realizing how few programs can actually run on one. There’s no “reverse VM” software that allows you to seamlessly combine multiple physical machines into one virtual one. Each application has to be specifically designed to take advantage of running on a cluster. If you’re writing your own code, or if you have a specific project in mind that you know supports cluster computing then by all means go for it, but if you’re imagining that you’d build one and use it for gaming or video editing or some other resource intensive desktop application, unfortunately it doesn’t work like that.
These days people usually just call it a “cluster” w/o reference to the Beowulf system from the 90s.
The amount of compute you can fit in a single box w/o having to deal with distributed systems BS is kind of insane now though. You probably don’t need a cluster to do a lot of things you would’ve needed one for in the past – a single computer is often already good enough and way simpler to manage…
I mean you could, but kubernet/containers really help it not be needed, as you can just run on any hardware and it doesnt have to be the same stuff on all the systems.
This is the story of my OnePlus 6T…
That’s still a fairly useful phone. 6GB ram, SDM 845/55 or something. It’s great compared to my redmi 4x (with motherboard problems) and nord n10 (somehow doesn’t get mobile signal after replacing the subboard). Goddanmit, I hate the nord. What the hell should I do with it I tried replacing the antena cables, board connections, using the original subboard. NOTHING FUCKING WORKS.
If anyone knows what I should do with the nord, I’m open to suggestions.
That’s all for my rant.
Isn’t it one of the few phones with mainline Linux support? (Mobian, pmOS)
Exactly. I bought it to experiment with postmarketOS.
