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I mean, we already have a laundry machine to do the laundry and a dishwasher to do the dishes.
Meanwhile, I can’t draw for shit. So I can understand - at least around the edges - why “Please draw me a picture of a tiger with a boner and a big grin standing upright in a t-shirt that says Stripe Right For A Good Time” has a certain naive appeal.
I just don’t know if I enjoy having my water bill doubled in order to pay for it.
I feel like some people in this thread are thinking of her statement as specifically about dish washing and laundry, art and writing. But to me, she was commenting more generally about tedious chore-type activities versus fun, creative activities.
Wouldn’t you rather have a robot / AI do the not-fun things, so you can focus on the fun things? You could spend time learning to draw, for example, if you want to. if you also want the AI to draw for you, fine but know that many do not.
Damn, this is so funny I just can’t…
Why are the robots creating art and the humans packing boxes?
Capitalism; most of the time art isn’t profitable, and if it is, the profit goes to the artist, not to shareholders. So if we make bots for it, we can force everyone to do wage labor in shit conditions.
Art is very profitable for the rich and elite, in terms of laundering money.
Because creating art is easier than packing boxes.
You have to start somewhere.
I’m just pointing this out, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who will…
We have machines to do the laundry and dishes for us already. We just have to set them up (put stuff in them) and they do the job for us.
When was the last time you saw someone get out the washing board?
That still requires gathering the dirty items together, loading/unloading, keeping track of when it is full/time to run. People saying this mean they want a robot like Rosie from the Jetsons to take care of that sort of housekeeping, not for a machine that makes the task easier to do themself.
Edit: to be clear, I don’t think a washer machine or dishwasher is a hassle and problem that needs solving, but that doesn’t take away from the message of “AI should help make life easier, not replace the creative outlets additional free time should allow”
That still requires gathering the dirty items together, loading/unloading, keeping track of when it is full/time to run.
And I still need to prompt the AI, review the images presented, copy/paste them, possibly apply further manipulations to suit my needs.
Like, yes. Your life isn’t going to be 100% on autopilot for anything except bill pay.
that doesn’t take away from the message of “AI should help make life easier, not replace the creative outlets additional free time should allow”
I think it outlines the raw limits of any kind of automation. You can make imperfect trades between human labor and appliances. But there’s always a limit that a tool can do without supervision relative to what a cognizant human can perform.
Edit: to be clear, I don’t think a washer machine or dishwasher is a hassle and problem that needs solving, but that doesn’t take away from the message of “AI should help make life easier, not replace the creative outlets additional free time should allow”
You are a dreamer, we live in the real world with limited resources, and here everything will be hard without hope, and robots will replace people, not help them.
Utopia is not possible, only dystopia is possible.
I would agree that’s what people mean, but they’re completely overlooking that the problem has already been recognised, and addressed, with a solution that’s been around for decades.
It’s just that people take these modern amenities for granted, so they see them as part of the burden of doing the dishes or doing laundry, rather than relieving the burden of doing those things.
We can load up the dish washer and sit on our duff watching YouTube while a machine does the hard work. Then we just have to suffer through putting the dishes where we want them to go.
This is textbook “first world problems”. AI is only expected to solve these first world problems. By definition, these problems are less actually problems that need solving, and more inconveniences that we perceive as problems.
I’ve been using a washing board for the past 2 years with occasional trips to the Laundromat. It’s rough.
Over time, when resources run out and civilization collapses, there will be no more washing machines. So if people survive, they will wash their clothes by hand again.
I’m sorry you’re going through that.
Having lived without a dishwasher for many years, I’m never complaining about loading/unloading the dishwasher. From starting the kettle to finishing a pour over is more than enough time to unload.
And never again having to schlep clothes to the laundromat because we have laundry in our home? Likewise, I’m not going to complain. The only reason laundry takes real effort is when we opt to use the clothesline instead of the dryer.
Not everyone has a dishwasher, washing machine, and clothes dryer, so I absolutely recognize that I’m very fortunate here. And the crazy thing is, these devices aren’t even particularly expensive, especially since they can be had used — I think a big reason folks don’t have them is the installation+room required. Which probably says something about landlords and the general cost per area of housing.
Ah yes give AI access to the physical world.
What could possibly go wrong?
Unmitigated disaster!
Many companies have automatic assembly lines and nothing is wrong, so with just making the laundry it shouldn’t be a problem
so true. although i shouldn’t complain too much because i don’t even have a dishwasher i can use and when i find a place it most likely won’t have a dishwasher either. And alot of rental units do not like you using those “countertop” dishwashers because of some plumbing issues it can cause.
Plumbing issues? When I had one of those at my last place, it just had an attachment for the tap to get the water and another hose that drained into the sink. My current under the counter dishwasher is the exact same setup, it just taps into the inlet and drain under the sink instead of over it. The only physical change to the pluming was replacing the tap nozzle, which I put back without issue when I moved out (might have even given them a new screen when I did so).
Its not so much a practical issue its more so a “these are our rules, if you break them your evicted”. some apartments have dishwashers now, but in the past, none did. This is more so an issue with scummy landlords and property management companies though.
Good news! The existence of AI does literally nothing to stop you from pursuing any kind of creative activity!
Fun fact: I experimented with an LLM for creative writing and it was so shit it inspired me to resume work on some half baked story ideas. This year I resolved to take up drawing again and get better at it.
But god forbid if you actually want to make money from your art; the way things are going, it’s getting near impossible.
I, like 99% of people who enjoy creating stuff, am never going to make money from it. Worrying about that 1% of people is just insane, and really, the small fraction of those people who truly get to be creative, rather than slaving at producing someone’s corporate vision, are going to be fine anyway.
This reply that the other person also made is just crazy to me. Isn’t lemmy, by and large, anti-capitalist? Why should the ability to make money off something even matter? Are you upset that people who really enjoy laying bricks will be mostly out of work if 3D-printed houses or some other technology replaces traditional building? Technology that obsoletes jobs is always a good thing for society; if the fruits of that technology are only enjoyed by a tiny fraction of society, that is a problem with how society is organised, not with technology.
There is a difference between growing an enterprise that extracts unfair value from your workers, and an indie studio owned by the artists.
Yeah, many differences, one of which is that the further employs far more people. Another is that the latter is not going to dissolve itself to be replaced by AI when the former fires artists to do that.
There is already very little market for the kind of art we all care about, so maybe we should worry less about the marketability of art.
Go to your local anime convention you’ll find tones of local artists that ask for money for their labour. The non corpo market will not be adversed online.
What makes you think those artists are going to be replaced by AI though? I don’t think people who buy art off a local artist are gonna go “you know what, let’s just print off this Midjourney shit”? I don’t at all.
I actually don’t think most people put art on their walls at all. The people who do, value a human connection in the art, not just something that looks cool (if you don’t care about the ai look).
I didn’t say that, we’re on the same page here ❤️
Why should the ability to make money off something even matter
Because I want to eat.
What about the rest of my comment or hell , sentence 🙄
I’m not about to spend my entire day to try and explain to you art isn’t about getting a pretty picture to consoome, and that no, “technology that obsoletes jobs” is not nearly always a good thing. Do you know how many items used to be better before mass-produced stuff took over and artisans were told to go fuck themselves? Or the disastrous effects of the green revolution? Do you understand that humans enjoy making things, that we (most of us anyway) don’t live here to just sit twiddling our thumbs and mindlessly ‘consume’.
But you enjoy the fruits that the 1% has grown for us. How can we grow a new crop of artists if you’re born after AI takes over?
That’s cool and all, but I still have to do my dishes and laundry before I have time to get to that.
I’ve been waiting for my AI butler since the first time I watched the Jetsons, instead I get AI slop.
Technology means the time you spend doing laundry and dishes is likely a tenth of what it was 100 years ago.
The reason AI, specifically, can do images and language but not load the dishwasher and washing machine is because those latter tasks are far harder and have worse consequences if you do them wrong. If the AI fucks up creating an image, so what? You tell it to make a new one. If it gets them all wrong then so what? You give up on it. If the AI robot fucks up loading the dishwasher, it breaks all your plates and then the dishwasher. If the AI robot fucks up doing the laundry, it tears all your shirts in half and smashes the washing machine.
As a hobby and experiment, sure.
As a well paid profession? It’s getting more and more difficult. You must live under a rock if you missed all the articles about creative staff being replaced by AI.
Good luck turning your art hobby into a steady income.
- What roles, exactly, are being replaced by AI? With the quality of AI output at the moment, it mainly isn’t the people producing amazing creative writing and art - it’s people making corporate slop, rather than AI slop.
- What proportion of people who enjoy some creative activity like writing actually do get to make money off it, in any capacity - corporate slop or otherwise? It’s a tiny, tiny proportion. So tiny it’s just not worth worrying about.
At the end of the day, if you free someone from having to do their job, that ought to be a net positive for society - that’s 40 hours a week (roughly) that society gets back as free time. Unfortunately, the person who lost that job now has to find a 40-hour job from somewhere else, and the extra productivity lines the pockets of some billionaire.
If that didn’t happen, and instead the 40 hours a week, multiplied by a million people whose jobs got automated, were given back to society, that’s 40 million hours society can choose to spend on creative pursuits - if they want. This has nothing to do with AI. When a new fully automated rail line is deployed, we’re not worrying about all the kids who are dying to be train drivers are going to do when they grow up and all trains are driverless, but it’s actually the exact same thing going on.
I’m not going to turn my art hobby into income, the same way as my music hobby, video gaming hobby, reading hobby, TV-watching and cooking hobbies are not going to turn into an income stream. I do them because I like them, and I’m not even good enough at any of them to make money off them, but that doesn’t matter.
I agree with your general sentiment but I have to ask - why shouldn’t a person be able to make a living wage off what they enjoy doing (such as art, music, etc.)? Why not?
I really like how Claude emulates specific writing styles so you can troll the living fuck out of some obnoxious self-serious writers in their circle-jerk chats. you drop some flowery shitball in there and they bukkake all over it and never once anyone ever suspected that this thing was AI generated. However, anytime I drop something actually written by humans just slightly out of style for that kind of crowd - they go pitchforks and boiling pitch on it calling it AI slop Antichrist Devil even though it is just something they simply don’t like or understand.
We’ve had the software to automate loading and unloading the dishwasher for a long time now.
Making the hardware reliable and affordable is what stands between us and fully automated household chores.
My robot vacuum is affordable but gets stuck on things often enough that I just rather vacuum manually once a week instead of daily rescue missions.
Still waiting for flying robot vacuums or robots with vacuums, which also clean the stairs, shelves and other surfaces in the house.
I saw an article about a cleaning robot that can climb stairs that’s just come out, it’s a quadruped thing.
I for one still find it amusing how it can get stuck on different things every now and then. Even after all these years. Especially when it chews on my wife’s stuff and I can make fun of it.
Mine gets stuck under the kitchen counter. It’s just the right height that sometimes it thinks it can fit under it but the slightly uneven floor jams it stuck and with pressure on the front the drive wheels don’t get enough traction to pull it out.
I personally don’t want it to do anything for me if possible, chore wise. When it comes to dishes, I am particular on where certain items go in the dishwasher and where they get put away. I trust absolutely nobody to do dishes but me. I also don’t trust anyone to do my laundry either. Especially not a clanker.
I just wanna say that while I agree with the sentiment of the post, AI has nothing to do with this.
We’ve had dishwashers and laundry machines that are super efficient and effective for many years. A lot of those chores are being done for you by automation.
LLMs have much fewer practical applications
Are you talking about AI in general or only generative A’I’? Because as far as I know, a, say, robot maid (of sorts) that would load and empty your dishwasher/washing machine, organise stuff, clean, whatever other domestic labor most people don’t like, could be considered AI, just used for different purposes.
A lot of terms are starting to blend… Now anything that does work a human could also do is AI / robots / automation / machine learning.
She is aware that dishwashers and laundry machines exist. She’s saying that she wants AI to do her dishes and laundry tasks, the same as she does when she’s using those machines. The entire process.
Yep.
“But we already have dishwashers and washing machines”
No shit, but for some reason when I put my dirty clothes in the laundry basket they don’t show up folded in my drawers without me, ya know…doing the laundry.
But like, that’s only further automation, not “AI” and certainly not AI in its current form.
Maybe it’s pedantry but like it’s got nothing to do with machine learning. I want it too, but not with the grifters pushing AI lol
The point of note, is that if we didn’t have so many freeloaders, rich or middling do nothing jobs, we would have plenty more time to explore our passions.
Totally! And I agree with that.
I just don’t subscribe to the grifters pushing AI on us.
I really like doing laundry and dishes tho
Good, you can do mine.
i’m next in queue
I always felt that there’s something deeply broken about people who enjoy doing dishes
I enjoy the feeling of the chore being done. You have to do the chore for it to be done, though. Kind of shitty but it is what it is.
Well that’s… quite hurtful
Actually, I get it - there’s a kind of humility in doing your own dishes, cleaning up after yourself.
For me at least, now that I get that, I can stay humble without actually doing the work, haha
Yah, cool. Keep doing them. I would rather hand those tasks over though.
Do you actually enjoy it or just the chance to do something different than you usually do?
I do all the dishes in my house and almost all of the laundry. Folding towels is my favorite part.
Yeah.
