• deHaga@feddit.uk
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      23 hours ago

      The EU was created in 1993. There were no wars in Europe since ww2 until then. Draw your own conclusions

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        22 hours ago

        You have got to be taking the piss

        • 1946: Greek civil war
        • 1956: Hungarian revolution
        • 1974: Turkish invasion of Cyprus
        • 1989: Romanian revolution
        • 1990: Transnistria War
        • 1991: Yugoslav Wars

        This does not even include the many smaller-scale rebellions or anything that happened in the Caucasus

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          21 hours ago

          None of those are wars. Bosnia is the first international conflict (war) on European soil since 1945.

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            52 minutes ago

            A) Civil wars are wars by definition.

            B) Some of these conflicts were international. EG the 1956 Hungarian Uprising pitched Soviet-Russian forces against Hungarians.

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              49 minutes ago

              Yeah, I’m talking major war. Not a civil war. It’s really not a big deal.

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            21 hours ago

            The hell is your definition of a war that excludes all of those? The Hungarian revolution, Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and Transnistria war were all international conflicts as well

            I will also note that the Bosnian war is both part of the Yugoslav wars that I mentioned and also kicked off before the Treaty of Maastricht

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              19 hours ago

              Er, the previous definition sets the current one?

              Conflict is not war. War is international conflict, not two sets of dickheads doing the same thing they’ve been doing for millennia.

              Here’s a hint. How many countries were involved in Bosnia and when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?

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                18 hours ago

                Okay so if we take your definition in which a civil war isn’t a war: when the Soviet Union rolled tens of thousands of troops with tanks into Hungary, or when Turkey invaded Cyprus and made a new country out of a third of it, or when Russia put 14,000 troops in Moldova and made a new country out of the bit north of the Dniester, what exactly made those not international in your view?

                How many countries were involved in Bosnia

                At least three depending on what you count as a country. Again, given that it started before the EU existed, why are you saying that no wars happened between the end of WWII and the creation of the EU?

                when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?

                1. What does that have to do with anything?
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                    7 hours ago

                    …okay? How is that relevant to your claim of there being no wars in Europe from 1945 to 1993?