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Oh please Christ tell me that kids these days aren’t that dumb when it comes to computers.
I’m sorry to inform you that when I was in high school I had classmates ask me if I was hacking when opening up the command line. We don’t have snitches though and the people here have the ability to listen to explanations.
Developers are that dumb when it comes to computers. Actual fucking developers.
Fucking backend developers who can’t even
git commitwithout their fucking IDE handling it for them.It’s so much easier to see diffs/merges with gui tools. 90% of the operations can be handled easily in the UI.
I only need to use the command line and use the docs when I do something complicated (I still screwed something up).
I do understand it’s there though, I’m not sure using it for the basic stuff would help me with the complicated stuff.
Because most of the time, the complicated stuff is just a few simple commands chained together.
99.9% of the time, git is easy. You don’t need to do everything on the command line, especially when dealing with diffs and merge conflicts. But in my experience most devs who flat out refuse to use it don’t understand most of the basic concepts because it’s all hidden behind a layer of abstraction. That’s why when I teach the basic concepts, it’s command line only. At least you know what that big Squash&Merge button does and why you should never click on the big Rebase button on main/master.
in our area was some kind of job orientation school (or more the advertisement to spend 3 years in the main part).
one of the people (probably 18-15) that wanted to look at programming or system integration (its combined) said that the teacher had a magic finger because that finger managed to turn on the pcthe teacher had a magic finger because that finger managed to turn on the pc
That might have been a joke that made sense if you haven’t seen the PC. When I was in high school, someone ripped out the power button which also used to have power LED in it, so there were just 4 mystery wires sticking out.
Oh, they def are. Most people under ~20 only use touch screen devices. In school, they have apps for building documents and power points, so they can just do those in their phone or a tablet.
I’m watching it in my high school aged niece: she barely knows how to type on a real keyboard, let alone how to access a command line, and even less so what can be accomplished through it.
They are wayyy worse
They are way worse than 20 years ago. High school kids now grew up with Roblox on the iPad.
I think you misunderstand how good with computers anyone ever was. Back then if you didn’t care to learn, you just didn’t have one.
Now you either are interested and learn it, or you just use an iPad/iPhone. I know many, many people who never used anything more complicated than an iPad.
There was a certain period where a lot of people really had a PC, and they learned because the PC had what they wanted. Because tablets or smartphones didn’t even exist yet, or were very expensive.
Yea that’s something that I thought about when I rewatched Serial Experiments Lain recently. It was made in 1998 and they correctly predicted that in the future the internet was going to become mainstream, but because the only way to access it then was with PCs they also assumed that would mean that everyone would become super interested in computers too and most of the characters have rigs that would put mine to shame. Fascinating how one didn’t require the other, which I think would have seemed unbelievable at the time.
I used to tell a story about how my boss had to call me into his office to show him how to maximize a window after he accidentally changed its size. I had to do similarly basic instructions for several young news hires lately, and most don’t seem to be picking it up very well.
It’s less that kids are dumb with computers - since everyone’s dumb with computers when they’re inexperienced - and more that they’re as unwilling to learn as my grandma; I’ll show them how to do something, and they’ll completely forget how by the next day.
I saw computers as an exciting new thing, but the next generation seems to think of them as outdated tech.
I’ve met young adults that don’t know how to type with ten fingers, that have never touched a desktop pc and can’t properly explain the differences between an OS, a browser and a search engine
can’t properly explain the differences between an OS, a browser and a search engine
Which, of course, was the goal of manufacturers all along. First computer you used a lot was a Chromebook? Google is all of those things. Was it a Windows 8 or later system? They damn near are the same thanks to web search integration with the start menu that only nerds like me care about disabling.
Kids? I regularly interact with PhD students that don’t know how to open a fucking ZIP archive. I’ve had one that thought that “SSD” was a kind of RAM, and insisted on installing Windows on a hard drive. I’ve had one that couldn’t grasp the idea of 2FA. I’ve had one that only had a single copy of his dissertation and lost all of it when Bitlocker ate the disk.
Organic intelligence is going extinct, I swear.
I’m a middle- aged millennial going through an undergraduate university course, in my first year I had to teach some of my group work partners how to move files from one folder to another in windows.
And these are students who have chosen modules in electrical engineering, so they have more technical/ computer education than most at that age…
I’ve had one that thought that “SSD” was a kind of RAM
Well, could it be considered random access memory? I couldn’t really find a clear answer, mostly opinions.
A random-access memory device allows data items to be read or written in almost the same amount of time irrespective of the physical location of data inside the memory, in contrast with other direct-access data storage media (such as hard disks and magnetic tape), where the time required to read and write data items varies significantly depending on their physical locations on the recording medium, due to mechanical limitations such as media rotation speeds and arm movement.
So maybe?
Although that’s basically the other end of “SSD is RAM”.
You could also install the OS to a RAMdisk.
Gigabyte even made some physical ones in the past.The i-RAM was a PCI card-mounted, battery-backed RAM disk that behaved and was marketed as a solid-state storage device. It was produced by Gigabyte and released in June 2005, at a time when genuine solid-state storage solutions were generally still less affordable than an i-RAM product with superficially similar capabilities. The i-RAM utilised DRAM, a type of volatile memory, and was equipped with a lithium-ion battery to provide backup power.
entire SSD as Linux swap maybe?
Been there, done that:
But that was a HDD instead.
Turning RAM latency up from nanoseconds to milliseconds!
Reminds me of that person who mounted their Google drive as swap
My bestie in my phd program had all of her drafts and data and literally everything on a single shitty generic cheap USB thumb drive. She does some coding in R and works with technical equipment, so she’s not tech illiterate. I slapped that shit out her hands so fast and bought her a small durable external. Lmao
As a young person:
They really are. They get used to fancy GUIs and don’t understand anything about computers.
There are still a few that are good with computers, but that number is going down.
I had a computer class that was fairly self guided, do projects and tell the facilitator how it’s good for community or whatever. All I would do when she walked by is go to hackertyper and tell her I was coding.
So yes.
Computer literacy is definitely down in gen z and alpha.
Gen Alpha are like 5 years old, so why would they?
The oldest members of Gen Alpha would be 14, turning 15 this year…
IMO around 2006 is when you see the decline. It’s the delineation between kids who started with computers, and kids that started with phones or tablets.
This is why my kids get to use the PC in the living room. Wireless keyboard and mouse, gcompris from boot until they are a bit older.
Though I am thinking of moving it all onto the htpc so its JF, emulators, gcompris, etc, but I haven’t decided how I want to do that yet. I was thinking of doing NFC for login, but my youngest is creative and would figure out he could grab mom’s phone to get game access.
TBD. And a huge digression.
kde neon and pam time for my kids. my 7 yr old is the only kid who knows how to use a computer in class, when friends visit for minecraft they try to touch the screen… computer literacy is something I intend to pass on.
Pam_time is a solid add - thanks!
Yes. They are.
Everything is magic to them the way it was to the boomers. Open the box, plug it in, it works, hope nothing unusual happens along the way.
Of course there are plenty who know more, but I’ve got kids and helped them build their own PCs. They still know relatively little, but their friends don’t even understand that cellphones are computers and reject the idea altogether.
Always keep a GUI tool for the job in case of normies.
I just don’t go outside so I can use the terminal all I want
Hm. I’d just tell them to fuck off.
But I wanna keep an eye on akmods when the kernel updates :(
Now mine Monero
*Linux
rms can go fuck himself
Do say why.
linux class
Should have just called the college IT technician to corroborate his version.
I love this program. Goes great with Cool Retro Terminal
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Be me.
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Go to school
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Everyone else in my class counting on fingers
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Pull out Abacus
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Crowd immediately forms
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“Hey guys! He’s doing multi-variable calculus over here!!!”
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Smile smugly. Don’t these kids know the abacus has been around for 3000 years?
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Teacher tells me to stop cheating. Accuses me of black magic
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Just laugh. Calculate pi to 100 places. People running out of the room screaming and crying.
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Sent to principle’s office. Principle amazed by my technological expertise. Nominates me for Head Boy.
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Ministry of Magic sends down delegation to investigate my new kind of wizardry
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Correctly estimate the future national gross domestic product for the next two quarters
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Voldemort appears and tries to steal my device
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Perfectly calculate the circumference of his head. Voldemort banished to the shadow realm for 10,000 years.
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Everyone cheers
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Open the door, get on the floor. Everybody walk the dinosaur
True story
I chuckled. Thank you.
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Starts modded Minecraft modpack. full screen starting logs. H4ck3rm4n
Omg same experience. Bruh I just wanted to watch some youtube on my break but I had to update firefox or smtn and my coworkers thought I was hacking the wifi lolol
Same, but I was literally just opening the command prompt and hadn’t even learned to navigate the file system yet.
Linux is a gateway drug. Habitual use can lead to harder OSes, which are also Linux.
Eventually to OpenBSD and FreeBSD
finally plan 9
Linux is just w gateway druh to TempleOS
And eventually, after that, Nyarch
There is a small filler episode of BSDs between templeos and nyarch.
BSD(ee)s nuts
“druh”… Cringe. We’re not on TikTok. You can speak like a human being here. You’re not monetizing your comments.
I’ve fat fingered and my autocorrect did not register it because it is valid Czech word.
Sorry. I genuinely thought you were following this modern social media ad friendly vernacular stuff…
Nah, check my comment history and you’ll probably find several instances of me calling this shit out. Usually it is just a downvote for the post, though.
All good mate, I’ve got a new keyboard and not uses to the layout yet.
Never been on tikthot but G is right next to H? could it have been a simple finger slip?
Yes, I’ve fat fingered and my autocorrect did not register it because it is Czech word.
This shit is how people turn into supervillains.
> look at the arch linux news before updating (like a responsible arch linux user)
> run an update for the os through the command line
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sudo pacman -Syu && notify-send "Finished updating!"> minimize the terminal emulator
> wait until update is finished
> close the terminal emulator
> mfw nothing crazy happens
look, if you’re using the terminal and your distro shows a lot of hacker-y text on screen when updating, then yeah of course there’s a chance that less tech-literate people are gonna think you’re hacking into the mainframe… still the story is definitely exaggerated
One more reason to procrastinate updates
Word. Updates are annoying, I hate it when things start working differently and I have to problemsolve it into working my way.
- typed from my unsupported LTS distro
Similar though far less extreme thing happened to me in highschool ~99
Some kid decided to rename the other kids home directory folders because they were their student IDs, not an easily identifiable name.
Sure enough, when said students went to log back in, their data was gone.
They took away MY access because they wanted me to come to the staff room to get it restored so that I can fix it for them.
Why we had access to all students home directories and data is beyond me FFS. But yeah.
I did plenty of shit I shouldn’t have done, for sure, but that wasn’t me, and it was the one time I got my access revoked.
Anyway, it was a good lesson to install a keylogger on a few machines which logged to the local c: and then I got some other accounts for free internet and print credit so there was no more logging me out after that.
