Windows 11 has given me no issues whatsoever. I’m not apologizing for having a great experience.
Right? I understand Windows is mass surveillance spyware, but holy shit the Linux proselytizing on this site is worse than any Christian mission, it’s straight up ridiculous. If anything, all the constant nagging will further entrench some users into Windows out of spite.
You use a site populated by tech savvy nerds (I mean that in a good way), what did you expect? Weird thing to complain about. It comes with the territory.
Lol
“I know this shit is poison, but damn all the people telling me not do drink poison just make me want to drink poison harder”
I only recently decided to switch. The biggest reason for me was setting up Windows 11 on other people’s laptops and seeing just how hard Microsoft pushes you to make an account, as well as the occasional ads I’ve seen. So with Windows 10’s end of life, I decided I don’t want to put up with that BS anymore. I still have Win10 as a back up if I need it for anything.
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I already have an MS account from owning an Xbox and playing Minecraft, no big deal.
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I haven’t seen a single ad in the eight months or so I’ve had Win 11.
It took about five minutes after initial setup to customize everything the way it used to be. Nothing about this OS has been worth complaining about.
Personal experience > what the Internet says
Windows users complaining every time someone says they like Linux
Ok, so if you want to use Windows 11, you do you. Whatever. But don’t try to slide lies past us. I use Windows 11 for work, and I see ads All. The. Time. Ads for OneDrive in the file manager, ads for 1Password and Opera in the start menu. When I try to install Firefox or Brave, I get ads for Edge (and again every time Edge updates). I get more nags to sign up for Microsoft 365 than I can even remember. I get ads in the notification tray. I get ads for terrible free-to-play games in the search results page. I get ads for Game Pass on the lock screen.
And yes, I’ve turned off all the settings. Somehow they always manage to get turned back on whenever Windows updates. I have to have it basically stock for dev testing, so I can’t do any registry tweaks or uninstall any updates to get rid of them.
So use the OS if you want, and use a Microsoft account if you really want your usage data to get slurped up by whatever the next thing is (I think it’s “Recall” this time). But don’t tell us that the snarling mouth in the corner of the room licking its lips isn’t there.
Not lying, actually having a fine time with it. Don’t know why you think I’d be lying, there’s nothing for me to gain from it.
I’m sorry if I shattered your perfect little illusion, but none of that stuff you mentioned is there now. Cope.
“I don’t care about them” is a far cry from “they aren’t there.” And they are, I was literally clicking around a current, fully-updated Windows 11 machine while I wrote that comment about the things I was seeing on the screen.
Don’t know why you think I’d be lying, there’s nothing for me to gain from it.
Some people (you, apparently) need others to validate their choices.
I think you have a different definition of advertisement than the rest of us.
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I’m probably the minority here, but I don’t really want mainstream folk as Linux user. You people already ruined the internet!
No way, if you feel that strongly you should definitely stay on windows.
If anybody else would like to switch we’ll help them but you certainly don’t have to. Honestly when people are that much against switching switching really goes well.
“Just install linux”
“When will people just install linux?!”
Etc. The constant propaganda gets tiring lol. I plan to switch in around two months, but constant yapping on lemmy almost made me consider IoT windows xD
“The constant talk about the thing I want to do in the future is making me tempted to cut off my own leg just to show them!”
You don’t have to use Linux, you can use BSD too
Let’s be honest, the only begging from any group to join them is from the people using BSD.
Use whatever Os works for you, no-one should be forced to change what they use.
That’s the thing, many people don’t know there is anything else and don’t realize “their” machines have slowly slid out of order to the point of not “working” anymore.
When I don’t tell someone I know that using a computer does not have to be painful, it feels like an act of cruelty. That only applies to people I know IRL, I feel like most of Lemmy at least knows about Linux. In any case, if anything I’d say the tendency to mention Linux comes from a genuine intention of helpingSure, if you’re in a space where people aren’t technologically proficient that’s fair. But this behavior is most prevalent here on lemmy, and i seriously doubt anyone who has managed to find their way to this platform doesn’t know that linux exists. It just becomes real insufferable real fast.
I swapped to linux a while back. The compatibility just isnt there yet unfortunately. Theres too many annoying roadblocks
I’m a firm believer in every man is entitled to his own personal hell. And if Windows 11 is your choice, then go with my blessing.
Just don’t expect me to help put out the flames.
Psh. In my experience, Linux users don’t beg people to change their OS. They just make fun of you and act like they’re somehow superior to you for the OS you use.
…and brag about how it took them 2 weeks to get their printer and scanner working.
Use whatever makes you happy and matches your needs. Ignore the haters.
I use arch btw. And Ubuntu. And Windows. And an iPhone. Does it matter?
For your needs: yes, it matters
It kind of does? Monopolies wouldn’t have us by the balls if people didn’t buy their shit.
Yeah because Windows turned you all into tech-iliterate people and Linux is a good start into learning how to properly use a computer. Recently a Coworker approached me because she needed to move every photo from one folder to another and she has been dragging and dropping them all day but its just to many. While technically some Windows people know its possible with Windows cmd in a one-liner, most if not all Linux users will know the command in a heartbeat.
There is exactly one OS that improves the skills of its users just by using it.
Maybe if Windows and Mac users wont act like a bug stuck on its back once they encounter the slightest hint of a problem and start bothering the Linux guy with it, the Linux guy would be less condescending on their OS choice.
100% people have gotten so dumb. They dont even know what a file explorer is.
Recently a Coworker approached me because she needed to move every photo from one folder to another and she has been dragging and dropping them all day but its just to many. While technically some Windows people know its possible with Windows cmd in a one-liner, most if not all Linux users will know the command in a heartbeat.
Uhh…I’m a linux evangelist, but is that command “ctrl+a, cut, ctrl+v in new folder?” Why would you need anything else if they’re all going from one folder to another, short of lacking a GUI entirely? Hell, move the whole folder to the new desired path, rename it to whatever the new folder would be named, bam new folder?
Agreed, however I think in most cases it’s more than just tech illiteracy, I think it’s actual illiteracy, or atleast an aversion to reading.
From my exexperience, the way the average windows user reacts to an unexpected error message is with rage and frustration while also not attempting to understand the message. Although it can be hard since windows error messages are usually terrible. I think microsoft knows this and that’s why newer windows errors look like this:
The average Linux user will read the error and research it to resolve it themselves. But it’s a lot easier when the error message is actually meaningful and the community documents issues and answers questions honestly. Although again, it all hinges on the ability to read.
Then you obviously know nothing about Mormons.
The church covers up sexual abuse on a routine basis.
Mormonism is inherently homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, and emotionally abusive.
I get that you’re probably just focusing on the aspect of their proselytizing but their end goal is nefarious and oppressive.
To be fair, that’s true of basically every Abrahamic religion these days. Religion itself is the placebo for the lazy/weak.
I thought this was the shitpost community
I don’t use arch btw
Arch promoters are the worst. I believe anyone suggesting Arch to convert people are Windows/Mac marketing. If you already use Linux, then Arch could be useful for you. But anyone even remotely new or experienced but more interested in using their computer rather than configuring an OS shouldn’t get an Arch recommendation.
Steam OS which is based on Arch doesn’t need much first time configuration. It’s the greatest invention since bread slicer
It’s great and so is Bazzite!
I’m actually the opposite on this because I agree. I use Arch (btw) but I’m also aware this is not the OS for the uninitiated. Arch users who suggest it for the jumping off point from Windows are: a) dicks, and b) delusional in thinking this is a reasonable UX, and c) they are actually giving Arch a bad name by suggesting it inappropriately.
I use Arch (still, btw) because I want the bleeding edge on many things, I actually prefer the shell for most admin tasks, and it lets me fully customize my install, not installing any bloat I don’t want. But I’m also very comfortable with Linux and have used various other distros before this one for decades.
When a friend asks me which Linux flavor, I try to take into account their use case. Gaming only? Bazzite, SteamOS, or maybe Mint. Productivity? Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Mint. Power user ready for Arch? They probably already know and I don’t need to tell them.
If you don’t want to recompile your kernel every day, you may as well buy a Mac.
I use Mint, by the way.
I use debian btw
It’s fine and not exciting in any way
What I like most about Mint is that it doesn’t get in the way.
I don’t really ever see anyone promote Arch. People have this hard on for hating on Arch users that’s based on decade-old preconceptions, and they somehow perpetrate them without substance.
I don’t ever see people promoting Arch to convert users from Windows. Plenty of Arch-based distros though, like Garuda, CachyOS, Bezzite, or (not really recommended, but an example) SteamOS. There are lots of great distros based on Arch that come bundled with all the packages most users will need. Arch is just for the users that want to remove every last bit of stuff they don’t need and handle it all themselves so they have exactly the minimum they want, which only has minor utility and is not good for new users who don’t even know what exists.
Plenty of Arch-based distros though, like …, Bezzite,
Bazzite (assuming typo, Bezzite doesn’t look to be an os based on a cursory search) is fedora blue based, not arch based. There looks to be a Bazzite flavor based on arch, but the main OS is not to my knowledge.
It is more of a shit post than a shit post.
I do use arch BTW
Have fun with your surveillance capitalism
Xfinity uses WiFi signal as a motion sensor in their security package. You can’t escape the surveillance.
Yea you can. By not using their enshittified shit.
Instead of being condescending, you might help people solve the problems that keep them from switching. Or just stay quiet. Whatever you prefer. This elitist attitude is one of the reasons why some people won’t even try Linux because they fear they will be ridiculed as soon as they need to ask for help.
There is nothing “elite” about Linux anymore, it’s an extremely accessible option and easier than windows in several ways. It’s not the 90s. I recently had to install windows on a separate SSD and I was shocked to find I had to manually find and install nearly every single driver. Like wtf, bazzite and Linux Mint does that shit for you
The op is calling Linux users worst than Mormons but “enjoy your spyware” is elitist? This isn’t someone asking for help, it’s a shitpost.
Have you seen how some Linux users treat people who don’t use exactly what they think is the hottest shit? Even towards people who use as much FOSS as they can but still need some proprietary stuff for certain use cases because FOSS alternatives are not quite there yet. It’s annoying as hell and comes up in every single discussion that vaguely fits the topic. I would say the comparison to Mormons is not that far off.
This elitist attitude is one of the reasons why some people won’t even try Linux because they fear they will be ridiculed as soon as they need to ask for help.
This feels like a fantasy you made up in your head. It’s not like you even need to ask anyone for help anyway. All the documentation is out there for almost anything you wanna do on Linux. There is nothing elite about it. Unless you use arch btw.
I genuinely hope you have a great time with corporate privacy invasions. I couldn’t think of a better way to leak your personal information to the world.
I really do mean that.
I’m all for moving as many people away from closed systems as possible. But tribalism and victim blaming achieves the exact opposite. Why would anyone move to something where the community makes them feel unwelcome from the start?
If we want people to use Linux, we have to be patient and help them overcome their pain points, not go “haha you dumb”.
I am friendly and will help you switch to Linux 🙂
Yep cuz if it wasnt for the computer I use mainly to play video games there would be no more surveillance capitalism left in my life.
Graphene OS on your phone? Or a dumb phone?
No internet connected TV device?
Modern cars also have an embedded sim card that’s reporting back data.
Any other “smart devices” in the house?
It’s possible, but difficult to avoid surveillance capitalism… Teach me how.
I think you got wooshed
Shit, I thought I found a messiah who would teach me the ways.
Damn, maybe I was the wooshed all along
Yup, graphene.
Nope, got a 2007ish 1080p lcd and a roku that’s never seen the internet. And one of those tiny CRT guys with the VCR built in, not bragging.
2002, no sim in mine.
Nope, purposefully avoid “smart.” It’s in fact the exact opposite of what it says and is an attack vector, as IoT garbage is never secure.
Still not 100% free since I use “any website,” but doing the best I can and don’t need to add “one of the most malevolent players in that game” to own my PC, I’ll own it myself thank you.
My problem with Linux, that is getting better, is that it has largely catered to power users. Simply put most users either aren’t, or don’t care to be, tech savvy. And that is fine actually, because that means they have other things they are interested in and care more for.
Things like SteamOS are catering more towards casual users with a bunch of built in compatibility features that means games work like they do on windows. Making it easier for casual users to make the jump. Now rather than having to know you need 57 compatibility layers (This is exaggeration for effect, yes I have to point this out because I have had some people get pissy at me for doing this) to get things to work like they should they are all neatly bundled together and you have Valve’s promise that they will work here.
Because of the SteamDeck many people were introduced into the world of Linux. Without many of them even realizing that they were using it at first. Add on the fact that it just works for the games people actually want to play and you have a good shot at tackling Windows.
I’m sorry to power users but you just don’t decide what the market cares about really. It’s the casual users, there is just so many more of them that they get to decide what operating systems are supported.
Linux has massively been dumbed down to allow people like you to use it. Which was a mistake. It was never meant for gamers or people eating their crayons. The fact that some toy vendor decided to build their vending machines on it has nothing to with Linux or its prinary user base. So stop complaining that not everybody is as lazy and as willfully ignorant as you. You’re tolerated but not welcome. I hope this is an adequate reply to this thread’s title and OP.
