• Rhaedas@fedia.io
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    1 month ago

    Ubuntu users here wanted to go Debian, but also want to live in the current world.

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Debian isn’t that far behind. (0-2 years) If you want the latest packages don’t choose Debian.

      If you want something newer go for Fedora or maybe even Arch.

      • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Debian testing exists. It’s just not well promoted or publicly presented for that matter. But it’s not really any further behind than Ubuntu.

        Also open suse tumbleweed. Is great. When you want something more up to date than fedora. But don’t want large chunks of your operating system to stop functioning randomly on an update like Arch. Because they pushed an intentionally breaking change, but nothing to fix it. And you happened not to read all 1000 change logs for the update, missing the relevant one.

        I love Arch, but I wouldn’t touch it for desktop these days. I seriously don’t have the bandwidth to read 1000s of change logs every couple days. On an appliance or server? Sure. Most recently VLC stopped playing mkv files. Why?! A packaging change. Instead of a few large packages/dependencies. They were all broken out granularly. Which is fine. But since you didn’t have all the new packages installed before. All functionality moved to them just went poof. I don’t have enough fingers to count the times this sort of thing has happened over the years. It’s part of why i’m slowly transitioning to tumbleweed on most of my desktop systems from Arch.

        • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Arch definitely has an audience. I think it is very much for those who like to tinker and play with Linux rather than those who want stability.

          I personally wouldn’t recommend Debian testing as it has way less packages and slower security updates.

          • jabjoe@feddit.ukEnglish
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            1 month ago

            I’ve been on Debian Testing maybe 15 years at this point. It’s great. Though wouldn’t recommend it if you need out of tree drivers or are starting out. If that’s still not close enough to the edge there is always Sid and Franken Debian if you want to mix and match (not recommended, but can be useful).

            It’s nice to have your more-up-to-date desktop systems with the same packaging system as your Stable servers.

            Edit: and no snaps

    • NeilBrü@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Kubuntu with --minimal-install (no snap fuckery) has been my unironic “S-Tier” computing experience in life.

    • besmtt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I’ve used Ubuntu and multiple flavors of mint. I like bazzite the best. Literally zero problems since I switched.

    • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      1 month ago

      If you want something that barely ever changes and works today as its gonna work 5 years from now, the Mint. If you want constant compatibility with the the shiniest new stuff, then an atomic fedora distro (Bazzite for gaming, aurora/bluefin for general purpose).

    • xylol@leminal.space
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      1 month ago

      If all you do is use a browser and game then bazzite is solid.

      If you do more stuff then fedora might be the way to go.

      I started with popos but since its more on a stable ideology updates to stuff take much longer which is why I started looking around to try all the lingo I’ve heard about on Lemmy like KDE Wayland immutable atomic etc etc

            • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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              1 month ago

              Literally never once had a problem playing any video in browser, from a variety of sites (social media, streaming services, news sites, file sharing sites, ZERO problems. All videos have played every time.)

              Again, just install them if you want them. Nothing is stopping or preventing you from having them, you’re just choosing to complain about something that isn’t even a problem. Users should expect that all the software they want to use comes preinstalled with the OS, including software with EULAs and proprietary licenses that they must agree to, and they’ll never ever need to install a software package? 🙄

                • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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                  1 month ago

                  There isn’t an OS or distro that doesn’t require you to install the software that you, one specific person in particular, want, sorry.

                • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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                  1 month ago

                  You’re just factually incorrect as both twitch and twitter videos play perfectly out of the box.

                  What an arduous mountain you’ve created from the molehill of installing a package using a package manager. My eyes can’t roll harder

                  EDIT: I just checked and adding the nonfree repo and installing the package can even be done entirely from the Discover GUI. It’s literally just a checkbox 🤡 God forbid the user check a box in a GUI, it’ll send them straight back to Windows 😂

        • seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Fedora is one of the worst option there is to suggest to a windows convert for this very reason.

          At least suggest bazzite if your going to shove fedora at a windows user.

          Serious new users should stick to mint or cachy. Depending if they are a gamer or not.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Mint if all you want is all your shit to work. Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) if you also have ideological issues with microsoft’s involvement in the israeli genocide of the Palestinian people

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I’m not sure I understand for Linux Mint is tied to the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

        Linux Mint isn’t affiliated with Microsoft. (Not even a little)

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          1 month ago

          it’s not about linux mint, it’s about its base, Ubuntu which also isn’t involved with microsoft, but its parent company, canonical is guilty of providing similar aid as ms does. so if you’re boycotting microsoft, you should boycott canonical, too. thus, LMDE being my recommendation in that case. LMDE is developed by the same people who make Mint. i was never trying to imply they’re the proplem

          • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            1 month ago

            That makes more sense

            Thanks for the explanation. I personally don’t see Linux Mint as supporting Ubuntu since they are independent and not financially tied but I think that comes down to personal choice.

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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              1 month ago

              i contribute code back a lot so any distro i use will end up getting free labor from me so it works a little different for me. like you said, it’s a personal choice

    • Cevilia (she/they/…)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Unpopular opinion: There is no one “best” distro. I’d recommend you download a few, try them out, see what clicks for you. Nobody knows your use case as well as you do.

    • sanderium@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Some time ago I answered this question on a post that seems have been deleted but got some good feedback:

      The most important decision as a new Linux user is the desktop environment, the most similar desktop environment to the Windows desktop are KDE Plasma and Cinnamon. This means your best options are:

      • Linux Mint (Cinnamon): They are the creators of the Cinnamon desktop environment and will be the default on installation.
      • Kubuntu (KDE Plasma): This is Ubuntu’s official KDE Plasma flavour, it comes with everything as usual just different desktop.
      • Fedora (KDE Edition): Same story as Ubuntu here, only that with Fedora’s own packages and environment.

      First I would check if the hardware is compatible (99% of the time is). Then I would check what software you need and/or want and check if it is available at these distros, and get familiar on how to install the software packages (either with their respective app stores or in the command line).

      There is a lot to learn but with these distros you can just install, forget and simply keep using them for eternity.

      The last and more important tip I have is to not to worry about the sea of options out there, you will not be missing anything huge by picking one or the other. Which is how most of new users feel (I did in my time).

      Hope you have a great Linux journey mate!

    • oppy1984@lemdro.idEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I switched 10 years ago, started on Ubuntu and hated it, switched to ZorinOS and gained understanding, then switched to Mint and found a home. I now recommend Mint to all windows refugees, it’s layed out similar enough to be intuitive and let’s you learn Linux at a comfortable pace.

      Tl;Dr - switch to Linux Mint when leaving windows.

    • seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Do you want a reliable basic PC? Mint

      Are you a non technical gamer? Bazzite

      Are you a technical gamer? Cachy os

      End of the day your distro is little more then the starting defaults.

      Any distro can do anything. With few expections.

      But for gaming you can save yourself a LOT of headache using a distro that has all the gaming related fluff preset up out of the box.

      • FundMECFS@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I heard Mint and Elementary both mentioned a lot for switchers.

        Any reason you recommend mint over it?

        Never tried either of them myself so just curious.

        • FryHyde@lemmy.zip
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          1 month ago

          Mint is very user-friendly, and can utilize all the handy apps that are packaged for Ubuntu. I don’t really enjoy the default interface of Ubuntu (it feels like a mobile OS in a lot of ways). Mint really does a good job of stripping that down and recreating a basic windows-like experience., while taking advantage of all the compatibility and software support that Ubuntu has.

        • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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          1 month ago

          Mint is great for older hardware performance wise. It’s also one of the most polished distros in terms of things like updates, settings and updates. The Ubuntu/Debian ecosystem is also better supported by 3rd parties than Arch and Red Hat.

          Elementary is a lot of the same, but the UI is more for Mac refugees.

          It is lagging a bit on the latest gaming support. Thats what bazzite(Fredora) and CachyOS(Arch) are doing very well at the moment. They are a bit heavier on hardware requirements though, but still less than Windows.

        • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
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          1 month ago

          If you everyday tasks include document signing or scanning with a Wifi printer, then maybe steer clear of Bazzite and Kionite and opensuse Aeon/kalpa.

          I would go for just normal fedora or opensuse tumbleweed instead.

          Mint is also great if you don’t have a “fresh off the production line new hardware”.

            • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
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              1 month ago

              I haven’t been able to get flatpaks (what you have to use on Bazzite and Kionite) to work with a wifi scanner and I have been using Linux since 2016, so not really beginner friendly. Apparently some people have gotten it working, but still, it works generally out of the box on Fedora, Mint, and Opensuse Tumbleweed I think.

              WiFi printing works fine though.

              But if you have a USB printer, or don’t use the scanner of your WiFi printer, Bazzite is great!

                • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
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                  1 month ago

                  I have. I have given them more and more permissions but they can never connect to the saned service and I haven’t been able to find a single shred of documentation about it from any atomic distro and my discord messages were ignored. There are a few posts asking about it for various atomic distro but it is very much “it works for me shrug” or “it doesn’t work at all so I had to layer the scanner app” with 0 mention in anything about the correct flatpak permissions.

        • Agosagror@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Basically every distro ships with office as well as a browser

          If you need specific software then just download later like you would on windows

          • Electricd@lemmybefree.net
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            1 month ago

            sure

            I’m always a bit worried that other distros could have things harder to set up or less stable, that’s why I want to go with mint

    • rtxn@lemmy.worldM
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      1 month ago

      That question is like asking which superhero is the strongest in a comic shop. There is an answer, but some people have made their own opinion part of their identity, and are extremely passionate emotional about it.

      It’s Linux Mint, by far. Others like Fedora and Pop are solid choices, and things like Arch, Bazzite, or CachyOS have their merits, but Mint offers by far the most uncomplicated, entry-level experience.

  • brev@infosec.pub
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    1 month ago

    This is why I use Fedora

    Instantly works, and I never need to dedicate hours to fixing stuff when something breaks

    • hellmo_luciferrari@lemmy.zip
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      1 month ago

      I mean, the pictures don’t even hint on “broken things” And I don’t care what operating system you use, every single one has the capability to break.

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      I think the joke is on how people customize the visuals of their distro vs how the distro presents itself.

    • pelya@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      Arch is hard to install, hard to configure, and hard to use, because it requires cryptic commandline knowledge at every step.

      People who use Arch generally know very well what they are doing, so their system works with no issues, which they never forget to mention in every conversation.

      Ubuntu is a novice-friendly Linux distribution, but since the majority of it’s users are novices or Windows 11 refugees, they generate a lot of complaints on forums.

    • drath@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      A lot of arch users are kids fucking with thinkpads ricing up their systems and putting anime wallppapers while not doing anything serious.

      Ubuntu is commonly used by researchers and hardware developers who don’t really care about distro as long as it’s linux. The amount of times I saw people use the entire distro with default gnome skin just to launch a terminal to run their black hole simulation, the crypto cracker or some centrifuge control script… I myself am neither but ubuntu has been my go to as well since I usually don’t have time to screw with archinstall, so I just use ubuntu as good starting point and then tweak the internals as I go.

      • B-TR3E@feddit.org
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        1 month ago

        Hmm. They have some surprisingly good documentation and user forums for a bunch of kids just fooling around. Very much unlike Ubuntu. I’ve learned years ago that Arch has good HOWTOs and solutions to common Linux problems that you won’t easily find elsewhere, while you better avoid Ubuntu’s forums unless you want to pick the one correct answer out of hundreds of posts guessing blindly at trivial questions. I have been using Debian for 25 years, so I don’t have a horse in that race, it’s just what I noticed.

      • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I feel like I’m the odd person out, using Arch like most people use Windows. I play games, do taxes, shop online, and do very minimal customizing, mostly just in KDE settings.

        It’s a shockingly stable system for how “bleeding edge” it is.

          • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            No you’re supposed to rice the hell out of your Arch install, put an anime girl wallpaper, some form of neofetch replacement (RIP), and post screenshots about it while wearing programmer socks and loudly telling people how good arch is and how much their distro sucks.

            Then complain about how you broke it and can’t fix it because you used archinstall thereby skipping the setup and recovery lessons, and didn’t read the wiki before updating.

    • Jankatarch@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      Arch users have the most whacky, customized computers you can find. Meanwhile arch itself is a small distro with very little features out the box.

      Ubunas a distro has tons of features out the box but ubuntu users generally just keep the default and continue using without adding many new features.

      • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I think a statistic about how much of your userbase keeps the default config could be a testament to how good your OS is

        • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I think it is a testament of how bloated it is. I mean, we could get 20 Linux users together, list every package we have collectively installed, and produce a new distro with all of those packages that would serve all 20 of us without needing to add anything else. But our new distro would easily be the largest available, and none of us would use everything we’ve included.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Arch, a community-driven distro that hostorically required heavy use of the terminal to even install. It presents itself as very sleek and utilitarian (hence plain black girl). Arch users tend toward enthusiasts also commonly in the anime, furry etc. fandoms. Wearers of “Programming socks” almost certainly use arch (hence rainbow girl).

      Ubuntu was historically marketed as the distro for everyone. Ready out of the box, polished GUI, media codecs, marketing materials made by someone who got paid to do them (hence rainbow girl). Ubuntu these days is an exceedingly corporate distro, Canonical really wants to be Microsoft. Ubuntu is very commonly used on servers for commercial and enterprise solutions and end-user desktops are vestigial at this point (hence plain black girl).