Plot twist: Theres still hackers in multiplayer even with all that crap plus rootkit they bundle with.
Just play an indie game, these games will only enshittify more and more.
Exactly, and you’ll save tons of money too. ETS2 goes on sale for $5, stardew valley for $7.50, vintage story doesn’t go on sale but it’s only $22. All games that are way more fun, way less buggy, and have way more replay value than every piece of triple a junk i’ve played
“enshittification” and it’s toggling two things in the BIOS, with one of them being literally required already by Windows 11, and the other being important for security to the point it should be toggled on anyways.
Literally NOT “required” by Windows 11. You can install 11 without TPM2 support just fine.
Sure, but do you think the average user will actually take their time to find ways to do it unless they REALLY want to install it and their computer doesn’t support it?
No, because:
- the comment was about how it’s not “required”, not how easy it is (thanks to Microsoft hiding the toggles).
- Anyone who cares enough is just going to install Linux instead of a tweaked Windows piece of shit.
the tpm does not add any security whatsoever for windows 11, and secure boot is being used to lock your control out of your own system. secure boot enabled with machine owner keys wouldn’t be enough either for these games
secure boot enabled with machine owner keys wouldn’t be enough either for these games
They should be able to check which signing keys were used for every part of the boot process. Unless they want to be colossal assholes and check the MOK as well, they could still verify what they need without flagging Linux Secure Boot dual-booters as cheaters.
secure boot is being used to lock your control out of your own system
Care to elaborate?
these games only accept the secure boot setup where the root key is that of microsoft’s. that means that you either need windows with a pre-approved configuration in some regards (notable difference: any foss kernel drivers are nono because they won’t ever be signed) or a linux system for which microsoft gives a secureboot shim with whatever further restrictions.
the consequences are more obvious if you look at android as an example. It’s not called secure boot there, but android verified boot, and the turning off of it is called “bootloader unlocking”. very few phones support installing your own signing keys so you can’t take advantage of it with a bloatless android distribution. but even on phones that do, there are many apps that require a locked bootloader with the factory keys, including banking apps, nfc payment apps, government apps (including those that are required to access the online government account), entertainment apps with strict DRM, …
these games only accept the secure boot setup where the root key is that of microsoft’s.
I have a PC where I could actually test this. Custom MOK but with all the MS signatures in the database. I can boot into Windows through the BIOS using only the MS-signed bootloader instead of GRUB or any chain loader, and Windows itself considers Secure Boot to be enabled successfully.
Do you know if it would immediately reject the game from launching, or would I be flagged and banned later as some kind of ban wave?
The latter is something I would prefer to avoid.
I can boot into Windows through the BIOS using only the MS-signed bootloader instead of GRUB or any chain loader, and Windows itself considers Secure Boot to be enabled successfully.
I assume that’s because your motherboard still has the microsoft keys installed besides the MOK keys, and it verified the bootloader with that. thats why it accepts the ms signed bootloader. as I know not all motherboards allow removing it, and there are a few buggy ones that get hard bricked if you do that.
I think there’s some linux command to query the installed keys, but here I have only found the command for listing all the installed mok keys: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
People have done what you say, and they’ve literally reset their motherboard with no immediate solution other than taking it to their computer repair shop. And that might even guarantee you get the motherboard back.
Very out of touch and elitist. Fuck off
What game is it? Name and shame.
Basically any multiplayer AAA slop recently.
AAA in quotes ofc
They certainly leave a lot to be desired, but AAA is just “had way too much fucking money to make/market this”.
Black Ops 7. Its got plenty of shaming going on for other reasons already but this is the first time ive seen this message.
Does it? Other than the campaign being kinda ass and a bunch of assets being AI I don’t think there’s much to complain about this game. The matchmaking is old school, lobbies don’t disband, and the gameplay on MP is solid.
Also, the fact you’re complaining about hackers on it is funny, considering I have literally seen none in the 25 hours I played the Beta and the 5 hours I’ve played the live version so far. All that happened is the aim assist got nerfed so people who are actually cracked on KBM can actually kill people before getting aimbotted by the thumbless controller players.
Other than a bad campaign, unapologetic AI slop, kernel-level anticheat, a $70 price tag, and being yet another uninspired formulaic installation of a franchise that peaked during the Bush administration, what’s not to like?
Yeah, and then you go back to Steam with your smug-ass smile and boots up Counter-Strike 2 to play the exact same maps with the exact same strategies you were doing in 1999, except now the smoke dissipates with gunfire. So fucking original!
At least they dont release a new counter strike every year with negative new features and a $80 entry fee, in the process leaving your game from last year to die.
Plus CS is an actual good game, cod is just yearly slop
Funny how you say “So fucking original!” as if you aren’t still booting up COD (the thing that stays the same or gets worse, rather than better).
Never played a Counter Strike game, actually!
Not personal, just venting.
As someone who arrrr’d CoD4, MW2, a couple others I don’t remember, and then a friend bought me BO3 for the co-op zombies last year (and my god that menu system is a massive piece of shit), I tried the public beta of 7 like a month ago…
I had to make an account, agree to… 5, I think, different bullshit terms of fuck-you-pay-me, enable SB, figure out the awful menu system again (I’m noticing a trend here), and while the zombies mode was… tolerable, it’s basically the same thing as prior games, just with a new price tag. And, what particularly grinds my gears (assuming the list thus far isn’t bad enough), you cannot download the entire game? Like it requires you to stream it. I have a 4TB raid0 PCIe (add-on style) nvme card, unless the game is a literal terabyte+, I want a full copy. That drive was literally $999 when I got it a few years ago, “I paid for the entire thing and I want to use the entire thing”. Let the console players use their bandwidth to temporarily cache shit, but I have the fucking space, piss off.
Fast forward 10 years when the servers shutter and the game you paid for is missing fucking necessary assets and is thus bricked in a new moronic way. Oh, you wanted to play single player? Hook up for some LAN fun? Nah fuck you, content not available. Retry?
And this shit is $80 base? “I remember when” angry grandpa but they can get fucked. You want $80 for a game that will die in a decade, and I should be grateful for the privilege? Thank you sir, may I 'ave some more?
Maybe I’ll fire up CoD4 again, me and a friend against aimbotting bots. Fun, all local, and Activision can’t nuke it at the flick of a switch.
grumble grumble
battlefield 6 does this, among others
Embark has been killing it. The Finals and Arc Raiders have been filling my multiplayer shooters on Linux needs.
Embark said they’re cooperating with Codeweavers to ensure compatibility with Proton.
This isn’t the Hunt Showdown approach of “we let you in but if we break stuff you’re on your own”, they rolled out a new anti-cheat and said they want us penguins to still play these games
Embark is based!! I am actually ok giving them my money because they treat their customers right!!!
Nice of Steam to warn you though.
They check the other requirements too, presumably
True
That’s why even I was on Windows, I would avoid Kernel level anticheat.
I know anticheat is important but I wish there was ways to prevent cheaters without running stuff in lower rings.Would be nice to play a game without providing my DNA.
Microsoft just needs to start kicking shit out of the Kernel. Allowing any of it is inherently insecure on a fundamental level.
They won’t, at least not for a very long time, because they deeply resist breaking changes, even when they are a net benefit.
I think they are working towards getting everything out of the kernel though, ever since that Crowdstrike outage.
Amazing. Crowdstrike did end up providing some benefit to users after all.
They are.
Drivers with known security vulnerabilities are blocked from loading in Windows 11.
This is functionality of the core isolation / memory integrity protection, which rely on Secure Boot and TPM to function.
That’s what’s pissing me off. People still cheat. It’s not that they have these invasive and stupid ways of anti cheats, but at least they work.
Nice that steam tells you so you don’t have to waste the bandwidth before refunding it.
What game? Name and shame!
Call of Duty Black Ops 7 https://store.steampowered.com/app/3606480/Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_7
“Uses Kernel Level Anti-Cheat RICOCHET Anti-Cheat Boot Protection - Requires both Secure Boot & TPM 2.0”
Battlefield 6 https://store.steampowered.com/app/2807960/Battlefield_6
“Uses Kernel Level Anti-Cheat EA Javelin Anticheat - Requires manual removal after game uninstall Boot Protection - Requires both Secure Boot & TPM 2.0”
Bro… There is no excuse to have a computer from 2014 anymore for GAMES unless you only want to do light stuff/emulators on it. Like, man, just search on used marketplaces, a B350/B450 motherboard for Ryzen processors costs less than 50 bucks there and they all have TPM capabilities, and you can get a R5 3600 for like 50 bucks 😭
You are missing the point entirely. This shit should not be required to play a fucking video game.
You’re supposed to have both on anyways regardless of a game requiring it or not.
😂 for WHAT?
Not at all. PCs do and have functioned without, forever.
TPM is enterprise functionality, useless for most consumers. useful for locking down control ower hardware against “unathorized personnel”
Secure Boot is not enough for these malware. They want SB rooted in MS keys. You using a Machine Owner Key? Too bad, go away! they say
all they want is get more control over your hardware, and less of it for you
Sorry to see the downvotes buddy, people are cult-ish. You aren’t wrong.
The entire idea of Secure Boot is to verify the boot chain using signature checks to ensure that nothing “unauthorized” runs in the boot process before control is handed off to the kernel. It’s meant to stop lower bootloader stages from silently modifying or hooking later stages.
In theory, it’s supposed to stop rootkits from being able to exist above the OS, hiding themselves while stealing information or influencing programs. In practice, there’s a shit load of badly implemented EFI programs and bootloaders that are signed and later turned out to be vectors for arbitrary code execution (this is why you need the DBX list to be updated frequently).
Cynically, Microsoft probably came up with Secure Boot because that whole rootkit-and-fuck-with-the-kernel thing used to be one of the ways people cracked Windows 7.
As for TPM 2.0, the whole point of it being used for anticheat is because it stores an immutable log of the Secure Boot process and attests to the integrity of the system. If I installed my own Secure Boot certificates and rootkitted Windows for the sole purpose of cheating, the TPM would see that a self-signed executable was used during boot and refuse to say the system was unmodified.
You are downvoted for your first part. Nobody is dog piling or being cultish, the person is just being a moron.
We know why they might be used, we just dont want video games demanding shit we dont actually need.
Doesnt help the OP is claiming to be an “unemployed artist from Brazil” who writes like an unemployed gas station clerk from Tennessee.
Missing the fucking point- you should not give up absolute control of your machine at the lowest level to play a shit game
Secure Boot and TPM are literally two fucking hash checks on boot. Ya’ll kids really fucking need some technological literacy. If you’re too lazy to do it AND too paranoid to even be INTERESTED in knowing what it fucking does you should be nowhere near a damn desktop.
I’m like, a sysadmin for 30 years…
Are you dense? This is about it’s anticheat, the reason for requiring TPM.
Sorry, I’m not the one having a literal toddler-like meltdown cause a game asked for two hardware requirements you can fix in 15 seconds, and if you really don’t want to, don’t fucking buy or play it. Dunce.
It’s been 12 hours. Do you feel less agitated now that you’ve hopefully had a nap?
As much as I think that the decision is a bad thing and the justification is extremely shaky, I do find it very odd that anybody is using Windows 11 at all without those things because I was having a hell of a time trying to get it to work even with those things enabled. Granted Windows 11 is also just a piece of shit so who knows?
You’re the one ignoring the point. This isn’t just about “two hardware requirements”. Again, exercise causality and maybe read the comment (and the thread) before replying.
Lmfao at this one dude literally losing his shit and defending this repeatedly in the comments like a fucking Microsoft white knight
He once got killed by a hacker and lost all his marbles.
He has a monthly keyboard budget also.
I just won’t play such games. Simple as.
i wonder, is there a good way to simulate that?
What game is this? so I know what company to never buy from again.
One that obviously isn’t worth playing.
Battlefield 6 by EA, which is now privately owned by the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund, Silver Lake and Affinity Partners
I know all about EA’s sellout.
You mean if I play EA games I will be supporting a murderous regime that engaged in the largest terrorist attack on US soil resulting in the massive loss of our rights?
Oh darn, I guess I won’t be missing much.
Call Of Duty Black Ops 7, however im hearing Battlefield 6 is also in the same boat.
Want some nostalgia? Plutonium for Black Ops 2 is still relatively alive with a crap ton of modded servers. Game is still fun to play.
And there always will be cheaters. If running a cheat on the local machine doesn’t work anymore, there is nothing stopping someone hooking up an SoC running a inference model analysing your screen and sending inputs to an usb-dongle that emulates mouse input. Can probably be Mass manufactured cheaper than those inflated price tags on those games.
Just dont fucking play those games. Simple.
Which is so ridiculously easy in my head. But then I see like 4 million people playing and I’m wondering… Am I the crazy one?
When i see that many idiots being duped it just makes me feel superior~!
>:3cJoking aside, look at how foolish the median person is. That they are average means that literally half of humanity is even more foolish than they are.
Quantity may be a quality all its own but in light of such damning disqualifications it hardly matters at all.
Welp, doesn’t run in proton. Next on the list…
