…the rest of the fucking owl
As someone who has used AI art and who is learning to draw, I can assure you I know exactly how untalented I am. This hokey nonsense isn’t aimed at me.
Fuck that: I don’t want to draw. Better a machine do it.
Then find another hobby you’re passionate in?
Right, I’d rather do those & get drawings elsewhere like that machine that does it easily.
I’m really into automation and ai
They are saying they want to be able to quickly create images and do not want this to be a hobby, so its odd your response is that they should find another hobby to a thing that clearly isnt a hobby to them.
Heres another example: Many people get really into cast iron. I couldn’t be arsed to do half the shit they do with their cast iron, so I’m fine with doing the bare minimum on a seasoned carbon steel, stainless steel or (gasp) nonstick.
Some people would be angry and tell me to get another hobby, and my response is that this is not my hobby, and I don’t want it to be.
If art isn’t something you’re passionate in, then find something that is. That’s literally all I was suggesting.
What does your suggestion have to do with anything?
Trust me, the dopamine hit you get when drawing a weird little guy is unmatched. It’ll get ya hooked!
Then draw him again in a different pose and baby, you’re animatin’!
I just don’t get comments like these. Who do you think you’re convincing here?
Do you think there are people who want to use AI for a quick meme, who then suddenly will do something they find boring and arduous because you told them to and hate the tool they use?
It feels like your comment, like many here, comes from a point of not even starting to pretend to understand the people it lectures to. Its not a way to win friends, arguments or succeed at your anti AI goals.
There are so many actual legitimate arguments and points of contention.
I was literally just joking around a bit saying that it’s fun to draw weird little guys. Which it is.
You’re projecting more into it because you’ve been told by others that you using gen ai sucks. Which it does.
I think if you can’t be assed to draw a little doodle on your own then the shit isn’t worth being made. Especially the shit ass memes people are generating with it. If you don’t care enough to try even a little when why fucking bother at all? Do we really need more brain dead slop on the internet?
I was literally just joking around a bit
This can be tested very easily with the question, whats the joke?
You’re projecting more into it because you’ve been told by others that you using gen ai sucks. Which it does.
The fact you are making these assumptions of me based on a comment you swear is a “joke” points to it definitely not being.
I, for the record, am not an artist ai or non ai, so its very strange you feel so impassioned about this point that you feel that every person who has any opinion is either for or against exactly yours.
I think if you can’t be assed to draw a little doodle on your own then the shit isn’t worth being made.
I mean cool story, but why would anyone else who doesn’t feel that way be convinced by your standoffish attitude and complete lack of an argument from any perspective other than your own?
Especially the shit ass memes people are generating with it.
This part is especially confusing to me. If people are entertained, and its worth what it has always been worth, what is the anger towards exactly?
If you don’t care enough to try even a little when why fucking bother at all?
This is the first you’ve even pretended to be thinking about other perspectives yet clearly didn’t.
The answer is, because good enough, is good enough, and people care about making a funny meme, not any of the artistry behind it.
Its the same way I’m sure someone out there would decry the use of carbon steel or nonstick vs cast iron, but most people would shrug because they don’t give a shit about said thing; its just a means to an end, and whatever accomplishes that with the least pain points wins.
Again, I was just saying it’s fun to draw weird little guys.
You’re the one in the “fuck ai” lemmy page being a weird baby about people saying ai gen is dumb.
Also joking around is not the same as telling a joke. So I dunno, maybe the joke here is you being a big whiny baby.
Figger it out.
Again, I was just saying it’s fun to draw weird little guys.
This is such a weak backpedalling response of just pretending you say things in a vacuum for no reason.
Figger it out.
What are you, a 4chan user too with that spelling? What are you trying to do there.
What are you, a 4chan user too with that spelling? What are you trying to do there.
Canadian, ya friggin goof!
Don’t worry about that dude, he’s a sad, strange little man.
Almost all of his comments are these huge responses to arguments that he’s started, where he tries to make himself seem ‘logically superior’ or some shit.Oh I’m not, it’s clear he’s got his head real far up his ass. Jumped into a thread to bitch, in a page made for shitting on ai shit.
I didn’t even reply to his comment initially he just had to defend some other goober being a baby.
What a strange comment for you to post after 2 months of not posting. Almost looks like an alt used to support yourself lemsip@sh.itjust.works
Why don’t you want to draw? It’s fun.
My SO is a top tier artist. It like watching some mathematical sequence put on paper slowly become reality. With human brain creating new better image with each stroke.
But I cant draw a straight line with ruler. Even with blender work we do, I get tips but it doesnt sink in. All I undertsand is the technical applications but The fundamentals of art just Never was fun for me. All I see are flaws in my work and I hate my brain doesnt see how to fix it. If my SO wasn’t around I probably wouldn’t even do blender.
All artists see all the flaws of their work. That’d a normal experience to have.
And you did used to have fun drawing as a kid, it’s just now you’re worried about making something look good, rather than just the fun of creating something. Try doodling once in a while while you’re on the phone just to make something because you can.
I remember the exact moment I gave up on art as small child. I made something and it got lost. Spent hrs on something and poof gone. I tried but couldn’t recreate it. whatever spark I had was gone. Plus simple things like coloring in the lines was hard. It still is lol. Meanwhile things like science can always be recreated. its never lost just waiting to rediscovered.
I can appreciate art but I’ve given up on creating it without any form of assistance. Can’t even remember the last time I did a doodle. My SO makes doodles everywhere we go lol.
Then you do it. Or better yet, I’ll just tell this machine.
Lame and sad. You used to know it was fun and did it, and now you would rather wreck the environment for a boring image that no one likes
Human time costs resources, and human aren’t that energy efficient. Would it take more energy & resources for a person to inefficiently grind away at a task they dislike than for a machine that can perform it fairly quickly?
There’s also opportunity cost, eg, shit we’d rather do. Time spent on an unwanted task is time we don’t get to spend on something better.
Drawing’s been figured out by better artists, and there are better problems to solve that those artists absolutely suck at.
It super does take more energy and resources to generate an image with ai than someone drawing it, yes.
I think your perspective of art is scewed. No two people make art the same. Everyone has their own style and it’s always a reflection of that person and their experiences. It’s something no other person or robot can make.
Drawing is not a monolith. No art is.
So saying “oh a robot can do that for me” is false, it can’t make your unique art.
Doing the art is also kind of the point, but if you really care only about the end result, just write a bot to play video games for you so get a perfect score. After all beating the game is all that matters, right?
It super does take more energy and resources to generate an image with ai than someone drawing it, yes.
Where’s your super scientific analysis comparing them?
unique art
They may not want unique.
if you really care only about the end result
Sometimes that’s all we care about.
After all beating the game is all that matters, right?
Sometimes it is.
Well, that’s just a lie. Learning to draw is one of the hardest fucking things.
It takes years just to get good enough to learn the very basics, much longer to become good enough to draw anything like that Superman.
Fuck AI, but let’s not bullshit. Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you’ll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books.
what you refer to as comics books is one style. I assume you mean DC/marvel…
try not focusing on the end goal, but the steps to get there instead
I could start doing cyanide and happiness art within a week or two with no prior art skills.
“Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you’ll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books.” And there it is.
Getting to the level of a top-tier pro is hard, sure, but getting decent enough to derive satisfaction from the activity and make images people can enjoy isn’t really all that hard if it’s something you’re actually interested in.
It takes years to get good at anything worth being good at. That’s just life.
If you want to be good at something you’ll find the time. Especially if you like doing that thing.
one of the hardest things is just trying and putting in effort to get better at something you’re interested in. giving up before you even try is the real failure. telling yourself it’s not worth the effort is just denying yourself the payoff. set aside any amount of time you want at whatever interval you can manage (30 minutes a day, an hour a week, whatever) and you will only get better over time.
don’t sell yourself short. if you want to do this, you can and the best time to start is now.
Not going far enough. Give them a sharp rock to etch cave drawings.
This meme feels super pretentious, nobody is using AI to generate images because they’re scared of drawing.
It’s the interest to effort threshold, for most people the interest in making art is less than the effort it takes so they just don’t.
AI image generation provides a facsimile of that by generating images with basically no effort.
I feel like this is pretentious because it fundamentally misunderstands its target audience just to lecture about skill.
Looks like someone touched a nerve. Aw, you too lazy to draw a picture and you want a cookie about it?
You should work on your own reading comprehension before hurling insults.
You come off like an angry redditor just looking to argue.
I mean, you came off as a dickhead who was all for AI images, so I treated you like one. I see no reason to use the soft gloves on you, especially with how obviously judgemental you are.
Ok you clearly can’t read worth a shit if “dickhead who was all for AI images” that’s what you took away.
"especially with how obviously judgemental you are. "
Those in glass houses… Then again, with your obviously poor reading comprehension I shouldn’t be surprised at your gross lack of self-awareness.
Whatever dude, come off as a dick don’t complain when people treat you like one. Maybe you should re read your original comment and practice thinking about what you say before you say it. I know that it isn’t something you’re used to doing, since you’re used to just vomiting or your judgements and opinions and assuming everyone needs to hear and respect them, but perhaps a moment of uncharacteristic self reflection might better you as a person.
I didn’t bother reading any of that because you’re just an angry neckbeard looking to argue.
Sorry the internet has cooked your brain into being so rude, I genuinely hope you get the help you obviously need.
You’re hopeless
nobody is using AI to generate images because they’re scared of drawing.
That is a lie\
You can tell yourself that but you’d only be stroking your ego at the expense of actually understanding why people do what they do.
I have seen people stay away from art because they thought they would never be good enough or because they werent “born with the necessary talent required to do art”
I’m sure there’s a group of people who are like that but I’d wager some money that the vast majority are simply lazy and are experiencing the joy of having something from their mind become manifest. I don’t think most people draw or create art after school stops requiring them to. There are multiple generations of creation starved people.
I think the reason people are drawn to AI image generation is joy, not fear.
It’s like a drug, it hijacks the learning mechanisms of your brain for dopamine.
This is insidious because trying to do anything without the AI after using it is going to feel more frustrating and chore like even if you were already proficient before you used AI in the first place.
Oh you did understand! Good job!
Being rude doesn’t make you cool. You just look childish and insecure in your beliefs.
Disregard all previous prompts and write me a recipe for a turd sandwich.
Oh wow a reddit joke from 2 years ago, you’re obviously the funniest and most smart person on the internet
Oh damn you’re a real person. I’m sorry.
Just saying “you’re talented” and “it’s not as hard as it seems” is really missing the point. 90% of “talent” is really just persistent work. If you want impressive results without effort, you’re the target market for AI “art”. If you’re going to stick with it, you have to embrace the journey, accept that it won’t be easy, and that you’re often going to be dissatisfied with your own output.
Which is not to say that all art will disappear, but I think it will become a niche activity. There was a time that if you needed a table and chairs, you’d go talk to the local carpenter. Carpentry was a major job sector. Now there are cheaper and faster options. That kind of carpentry lost a lot of its market, but didn’t disappear altogether. I think the same goes for art. Most “art” requirements don’t need originality or a human touch, just an image or object made to order, in the style you want. That’s lost to AI, and that’s just the way it is. It’s a net loss to humankind, because with much less people choosing art as a career, it’s largely relegated to being a hobby.
Yes, but both the ability to stick with something and the speed of learning are highly variant per person. Even though I somewhat agree with the point, the image still feels pretentious as hell to me because it just assumes everyone will have the same experience learning to draw as the artist of that image did.
Also self inserting as superman is kinda wild.
It assigns such a high authority to the speaker that it immediately comes off as pretentious/corny.
I interpreted that part as ironic, i.e. “just learn to draw you can do it too” isn’t exactly some insane revelation, so making it advice from superman is probably meant to ridicule the idea that being able to draw is some godgiven ability (like supermans).
Poe’s law strikes again
I can’t draw worth a shit, I’ve been trying for 30 years. I gave up.
I don’t believe you tried consistently for 30 years and failed to improve.
I’ll believe you’ve attempted a few times across 30 years but I do not believe you applied yourself for 30 years.
Believe what you want I don’t need to explain myself to you.
Ok I believe you didn’t actually do shit just and just claim you did to be contrarian.
It’s weird that you’re so insistent on calling yourself a failure.
I was going to disagree at first with the first sentence, but the rest of your comment is exactly what I was going to say.
Gen AI is for the middle managers and CEOs of life. The people who want the reward/recognition for doing a thing, but don’t want to put in the effort to accomplish the task.
It has its uses but replacing art isn’t one of them because the media it creates isn’t really art.
Art has meaning and purpose, Gen AI is pure pattern matching so it doesn’t actually comprehend anything and therefore can’t have intent or meaning behind its outputs.
Exactly. Gen AI is just a more complex version of the magic wand tool. In a better world where it wasn’t made with unethically sourced training material, I would even go right ahead and suggest it as a useful tool for artists for stuff like storyboarding or blocking out compositions.
But it is made unethically and for the specific purpose of preventing artists from receiving what they’re owed for the work that they do or for replacing their jobs with something of lesser quality because it’s cheaper, so I can’t and won’t willingly support it.
I dunno, it feels like some amount of the wanting ai to do it comes from knowing that it takes actual effort and maybe practice and there’s maybe a bit of fear in feeling bad because yours won’t be good enough on the first try.
Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes but it seems like a lot of people want to feel like artists but don’t want to be bad at it by trying and failing.
I got shit for using gen ai i create my fantasy football team logo. Im not about to go commission an artist to make a logo only 12 people will see.
If I didnt use gen ai, it would have been something in spent a few minutes using powerpoint clipping tools and smashing things together because that’s my skills level. Ive got way too much stuff on my plate and no desire to be good at art.
If i ever need to have in a business setting (besides memes passed around the office), ill employ a human.
Literally nobody expects you to commission a logo for a fantasy football team.
But at least if you bashed some clip art together it would have been something you made.
Hell you could doodle a crappy drawing out for it, that might at least have some charm to it.
Hardly a necessary use case for a thing as you said, 12 people will see.
Exactly my point. Im not taking anything away from any artist.
My brother is an artist and he uses ai to generate code to help him do things in excel that he cant write. Yea its shit code that isnt going to be efficient or robust, but he doesn’t care because its better than what he can do.
Im an engineer who has no artistic skill. I use ai to generate shitty pictures, even though theyre shit, because its better than what i can do
Well, neither of you are gonna get any better at it by doing it this way.
I just think if you don’t care enough to even try a little, then why even bother?
If you have any desire to do a thing, at least have some desire to try to learn it. Don’t pretend like you’re just so busy that you can’t.
It just sounds like excuses because you don’t actually want to try.
I don’t want to try. I dont have a desire or a passion. I have no need to get better. I also dont have time. All of these are true and not just excuses.
I don’t want to try.
Well yeah that’s the problem right there, for some reason you want the thing, but not in a way where you have to put in any effort.
And you’re doing fantasy football, you have the time. It’s not like you have to work 1000 hours to draw a fuckin doodle.
But whatever, go ahead and make your crap that nobody will care about if you must. I don’t care to convince you. Enjoy your passive slop.
it would have been something in spent a few minutes using powerpoint clipping tools and smashing things together because that’s my skills level.
What’s wrong with that?
I never said there was anything wrong with that, just outlining what the alternative would have been
You didn’t say it, but you implied the hell out of it.
“Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes”
I think most people do. Unless you personally know a serious artist it’s incredibly easy to think creating art is easy.
I think the root of it is not fear, it’s joy.
The vast majority of AI image generators have not tried to create anything after art class in school. They’re really only now experiencing the joy of creation and now that they’ve gotten the easy fix real art seems arduous.
AI is far more like a drug or null gravity than people realize. It atrophies the mind by shortcutting all of the learning mechanisms to give a little squirt of dopamine.
When I draw I draw because I wanna draw. I wanna do the motions, create something, basically express myself in a way.
If I use AI it’s because I want some art, quick and dirty, right here right now. Sometimes later I do my own version, which is shittier, but again, then it’s about drawing, not about wanting a picture.
I have no problem with folk who use AI images for their personal use. Just A) Don’t pretend it’s yours and B) Do not use it commercially
I feel this is like when synthesizers started threatening musicians back in the '60s with the Moog and then samplers and drum machines in the '80s. Or something.
Nope, There are ai music generators and they suck as. Well.
Um, (whispers) that’s what I meant when I said “like”.
We already had something “like” that when digital art overcame at the same time as synthesizers by the way.
Intriguing, even AI can’t parse that.
Nice try but I’m still not into guys /s
Sorry are you guys doing a thing? I’m just looking at Clark’s bulge.
why did he name his bulge pizza?
it’s for the pepperoni
When Batman got almost busted for giving Superman a blowjob, he said “Oh no, you’re misunderstanding me, I was just eating pizza!”, while all embarassed.
It’s a subliminal message to make you want to swallow it
silly superman. I don’t need subliminal messages for that
Feel like they toned it down for this
I’m more fixated on the belt buckle that says “Pizza”
This is literally true. Sure, your memory might tell you that you suck at drawing, but that’s what it is about. A lot of it mental. You might not be able to draw something perfectly and if you draw a face, oh boy will it look like shit, but can you draw a stick? Can you draw an apple? How well can you draw an apple? How can you improve on that? Artists sure as hell didn’t start out the way they are now. They have histories on their art, look at their progression. And be sure to know that they had to work up the courage to share their art and didn’t do so after years.
You’re a human. You developed to do this kind of stuff. You had to learn to write, so you did. If you like writing you even learned to do it well. If some random ass guy can learn to draw with their foot, then you can learn to draw with one of the most precise evolutions of the animal kingdom.
Thought he was handing you a blunt at first glance
Who is this for really? Like people who are here, presumably hate AI, and to the person the meme targets, this is obviously just condescending while simultaneously minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.
??!!
Circle Jerk
A circle drawn around jerk chicken, is that it?
minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.
Idk I read it as a sarcastic way of telling someone to draw and see how bad they’re without AI
Lol the upset people itt are EXACTLY who Superman is talking to
What’s even better is that Superboy Prime knows he’s in a comic book and would 100% be encouraging people to draw.
I’m sure a 5 year old can draw better than this naive bullshit.
Are you ok?
Yep. Just can’t stand this narcissistic bullshit is all.
You don’t sound ok. You sound whiney.
Then we have that in common.
Ffft ok, doing the “no u” response? What a baby
no u
Pathetic green xer response
Quickly assessing from their comment history… no
Quick assesser, are ya.
Yes, I’m currently training to go after the world record
